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So how many of ya reall know how to pull a multi side edge degree tune!

post #1 of 19
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We don't usually see these to often in the states.
post #2 of 19
You're post is lost in translation. No idea what you want.
Words are ok to use.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
Sorry I wasn't clear. Different side edge degrees on same ski at different spots all tapered and blended together. Like in the old days from European racers had.
Example: run a 3deg to a 4 deg to a 3 deg.

This is side edge only.
post #4 of 19
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We don't usually see these to often in the states.


Question is why?  With the modern ski designs of rocker and early rise etc. I don't think you need that.  Variable base bevel?  Do it all the time automatically as most bases are not perfectly flat anyway, and some are better that way!

post #5 of 19

I do it fairly often when tuning coworkers skis, sometimes if it is a good customer that I am familiar with their skiing needs and preferences. I also do it often on 'park tunes'.

post #6 of 19

Sounds like something you would do to someone you don't like.  How in the world do you maintain that kind of edge?

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Sounds like something you would do to someone you don't like.  How in the world do you maintain that kind of edge?

They are coworkers... and customers. I don't 'like' any of them.

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I do it fairly often when tuning coworkers skis, sometimes if it is a good customer that I am familiar with their skiing needs and preferences. I also do it often on 'park tunes'.
I thought with a park tune people were rounding or taking a file at 45 deg to the edge for most of it except some in the shovel and some in the tail. If one has no meeting of the side/base edges in a line i wouldn't think it mattered what the side edge angle is.
Maybe you're doing something differently? What are you doing for a park tune?
post #9 of 19
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I thought with a park tune people were rounding or taking a file at 45 deg to the edge for most of it except some in the shovel and some in the tail. If one has no meeting of the side/base edges in a line i wouldn't think it mattered what the side edge angle is.
Maybe you're doing something differently? What are you doing for a park tune?

Detune under foot. Monthly/weekly grinds. And wax
post #10 of 19
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Originally this discussion was directed for race tunes, but that's ok . Since park tunes were brought up I'll roll with. I also do a lot of them weekly, specially for big air, slopestyle, rails and for pipe athletes in my area. Most of the are fully sponsored athletes and club kids. All these tunes are slightly different.

The big air guys and slopestyle guys tune that I do are the same. Generally these guys and gals break 1 to 2 pair a month. It just happens because the impact landings the are doing day after day all day long training for comps. I completely round over the edge underfoot a couple inches in front of the binding toe to a few behind the heel of the binding. Hand polished smooth. Tips and tails sharp . Some want more, some want less. Without doing this edges would rip out on day one , or they would catch edges on the rail impacts , causing bad injuries.
Rail guys get round over under foot polished off with a slight detune of the rest of the ski.
Pipe guys go with a slight detune to the tip and more on the tail for landing backwards, with the rest of the ski sharp for the icey super pipes.

This is just general tunes that I do. remember they get their skis free for specific events. By no means do we do these tunes on their free ride set ups.

I could go way further into detail but some secrets I must keep. Edge and base bevels are specific to each athlete.

I hope this helps some of the guys and gals out there. Now off for some pow pow!
post #11 of 19
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Originally this discussion was directed for race tunes, but that's ok . Since park tunes were brought up I'll roll with. I also do a lot of them weekly, specially for big air, slopestyle, rails and for pipe athletes in my area. Most of the are fully sponsored athletes and club kids. All these tunes are slightly different.

The big air guys and slopestyle guys tune that I do are the same. Generally these guys and gals break 1 to 2 pair a month. It just happens because the impact landings the are doing day after day all day long training for comps. I completely round over the edge underfoot a couple inches in front of the binding toe to a few behind the heel of the binding. Hand polished smooth. Tips and tails sharp . Some want more, some want less. Without doing this edges would rip out on day one , or they would catch edges on the rail impacts , causing bad injuries.
Rail guys get round over under foot polished off with a slight detune of the rest of the ski.
Pipe guys go with a slight detune to the tip and more on the tail for landing backwards, with the rest of the ski sharp for the icey super pipes.

This is just general tunes that I do. remember they get their skis free for specific events. By no means do we do these tunes on their free ride set ups.

I could go way further into detail but some secrets I must keep. Edge and base bevels are specific to each athlete.

I hope this helps some of the guys and gals out there. Now off for some pow pow!


The Dude must abide!

post #12 of 19
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That's funny ! Is He throwing down the glove?
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That's funny ! Is He throwing down the glove?


Not me!  I like what you said there!  "The Dude Abides" is a compliment to you.   :beercheer:

post #14 of 19
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Sounds like something you would do to someone you don't like.  How in the world do you maintain that kind of edge?
Last year I brought some skis to a shop that clearly confused little intermediate me with somebody else and put a variable tune on my skis. Freaked me right out!
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Last year I brought some skis to a shop that clearly confused little intermediate me with somebody else and put a variable tune on my skis. Freaked me right out!
What freaked you out about it and do you know what angles they used for the variable?
post #16 of 19
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Last year I brought some skis to a shop that clearly confused little intermediate me with somebody else and put a variable tune on my skis. Freaked me right out!
What freaked you out about it and do you know what angles they used for the variable?
After I posted last night it occurred to me that this happened two years ago, and that it may have been the base edges on Kenjas. I was on cold hardpack at Targhee, and my faint memory is that they didn't want to turn, but once I got into a turn they wouldnt let go.

The shop clearly mistook my skis for someone else's, because I hadn't given them any instructions, but later I noticed that the shop's sticker gave three different numbers for the edges. Frankly it could have been side edges, but I remember posting about it here and somebody saying it was probably a specialized variable tune for some kind of elite skier.

At the time these skis were really too stiff for me, my only method of turning was skidding and smearing, and I certainly wasn't in control of when my edges engaged, making the Kenjas extra 'exciting' even on the soft surface I was used to. That makes me think that the shop put a smaller bevel underfoot than at the tips and tails, making it hard to start a turn, but when I did tip them slightly into what I expected to be a smeared turn they bent enough to grab hold underfoot, then took me for a ride because I didn't know how to release the edges.

But assuming I'm right that it was the base bevel, this is entirely off topic, and I apologize for the digression!!
post #17 of 19
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After I posted last night it occurred to me that this happened two years ago, and that it may have been the base edges on Kenjas. I was on cold hardpack at Targhee, and my faint memory is that they didn't want to turn, but once I got into a turn they wouldnt let go.

The shop clearly mistook my skis for someone else's, because I hadn't given them any instructions, but later I noticed that the shop's sticker gave three different numbers for the edges. Frankly it could have been side edges, but I remember posting about it here and somebody saying it was probably a specialized variable tune for some kind of elite skier.

At the time these skis were really too stiff for me, my only method of turning was skidding and smearing, and I certainly wasn't in control of when my edges engaged, making the Kenjas extra 'exciting' even on the soft surface I was used to. That makes me think that the shop put a smaller bevel underfoot than at the tips and tails, making it hard to start a turn, but when I did tip them slightly into what I expected to be a smeared turn they bent enough to grab hold underfoot, then took me for a ride because I didn't know how to release the edges.

But assuming I'm right that it was the base bevel, this is entirely off topic, and I apologize for the digression!!

I tried radial tuning the base bevel on a couple of pair of our race skis last season. .5 under foot, .7 in the fore body and behind the bindings  and 1 degree in the tip and tails! 

 

Neither my son (Excellent racer) nor I liked it at all. Just not our cup of tea. 

post #18 of 19
I haven't been crazy about radial tunes either. Had a aimilar one 0.5 underfoot and .75 in forebody.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
Multi side edge and base bevels are very radical in in thinking of old! Especially on racer skis, I would have to say. Do they rip? Yes! Aboot the rest of us mere mortals. That is the question. This topic was set out there for us tuners and racers in the know. Just think of it for the rest of us? For a tuner to do right, is very difficult very accurately. I tune a few skis and still rock one side edge angle and base bevel because I'm still a mere mortal that can't tell the difference. If I caused ya all to wonder too much I'm sorry. Just rock the angles ya love and roll with them. Skiing should be fun, not worring what could be or what could be .0001 of a second faster. For the gal that got that miss tune I'm sorry because ya said darn this was weird but ya figured it out, yet ya saw the possibilities. Just should have never been put on your ski in my mind thought.

Just like the Saturday live mind skit , John handy( or what ever it was)
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