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post #91 of 118
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Bought the 2015 Atomic Automatic 117s. Haven't mounted a binding yet. Once again thanks everyone for the advice. I'm absolutely in love with this ski.

post #92 of 118
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If you do want to take a look a different mount position I would very much like to hear your feedback. But no worries if you dont have time.

post #93 of 118
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Or just stop reading them after two pages.  It's not like anyone is significantly inconvenienced by thread drift, other than a few million electrons.  But just stop reading threads if they don't contain info that you want.  It's just people chatting.

 

 

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Fixed
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Personally I like multiple pages it is fun reading.  And, thankyou for the confirmation.

post #94 of 118
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Or just stop reading them after two pages.  It's not like anyone is significantly inconvenienced by thread drift, other than a few million electrons.  But just stop reading threads if they don't contain info that you want.  It's just people chatting.

 

Yeah I suppose, but...

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atomic automatic

 

^^ Post #12
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LOVE THE AUTOMATICS!

uhmmm... yeah. Good thing we're on page 4.

post #95 of 118
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Or just stop reading them after two pages.  It's not like anyone is significantly inconvenienced by thread drift, other than a few million electrons.  But just stop reading threads if they don't contain info that you want.  It's just people chatting.

 

Yeah I suppose, but...

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atomic automatic

 

^^ Post #12
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LOVE THE AUTOMATICS!

 

uhmmm... yeah. Good thing we're on page 4.

 

Maybe someone should hit the flag button?

post #96 of 118

why? I don't really care if folks want to talk jibberish past each other, I just don't think any of it helps anyone, which is perfectly alright... just not helpful. Being not helpful is one of my best skills, as is sarcasm, nunchuck skills and bow hunting skills.

 

To be honest, I'll take extreme thread drift and post-padding whack-offery to people who start a thread and then police it as if they own it. 

post #97 of 118
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why? I don't really care if folks want to talk jibberish past each other, I just don't think any of it helps anyone, which is perfectly alright... just not helpful. Being not helpful is one of my best skills, as is sarcasm, nunchuck skills and bow hunting skills.

 

To be honest, I'll take extreme thread drift and post-padding whack-offery to people who start a thread and then police it as if they own it. 

 

If you don't care about the thread drift, why'd you bring it up?  That's a sincere question.

post #98 of 118
This one time on TGR, the advice I was looking for was on page #3 of a thread.

Do you really think that the most useful advice is absolutely contained within/obtained from the first 2 pages of a thread, and can't be gleaned out of the muck on page 6?
post #99 of 118
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I disagree. Ive found the later pages of this thread very helpful. Now we've moved on to talking about binding mounting position on the ski. You guys are the ones off topic. I would say without trying to sound rude that if you dont have anything relevant to add then dont and that would cut back on the pages. Is this really a real problem? Im interested in hearing from skiotter about mounting position.
post #100 of 118
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Before this gets lost, worth the repost. Methinks the better you get, the less you need the ski to take care of your business. 


There is a grain of truth here. But...it is a small one.  Why are racers on the skis they use? Why are no pro free skiers on skinny skis? Why are none of the "best" on narrow straight flat skis with wood edges?

 

I'll buy that the better someone is, the more able they are to compensate for equipment out of its element.  But the point is they do have to compensate. There is a reason gear has evolved as it has for different uses in different types of snow.

 

 

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But the context of my original statement was that people are getting longer skis than they should (dude, check out my 191's!), and beyond's follow-up point is that they're using that extra length as a crutch for their lack of proper stance / balance / stability.  And in tight spaces those longer skis probably make their skiing worse, not better.  This is very different than the argument about width, I should add.


It's OK, Spin never met a thread he didn't think was an attack on fat skis. Carry on...

post #101 of 118
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I disagree. Ive found the later pages of this thread very helpful. Now we've moved on to talking about binding mounting position on the ski. You guys are the ones off topic. I would say without trying to sound rude that if you dont have anything relevant to add then dont and that would cut back on the pages. Is this really a real problem? Im interested in hearing from skiotter about mounting position.
Whiteroom -0, excess,posters -+1
Edited by WC68 - 12/21/14 at 10:27am
post #102 of 118

Let me say this about that.   :duel::jedi::rotflmao:and   :beercheer:

post #103 of 118
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If you do want to take a look a different mount position I would very much like to hear your feedback. But no worries if you dont have time.

Will test and report back.  :ski

 

It's a tough job, but somebody has to do it! :)

post #104 of 118
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Bought the 2015 Atomic Automatic 117s. Haven't mounted a binding yet. Once again thanks everyone for the advice. I'm absolutely in love with this ski.

 

Don't you actually have to sleep with the girl before you rave about how great the sex is?  ;)

post #105 of 118
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Don't you actually have to sleep with the girl before you rave about how great the sex is?  wink.gif

I guess the automatic is the Jenna Jameson of skis.
post #106 of 118

Ahem.

 

post #107 of 118
The Pillow Fight top sheets were a terrible idea.
post #108 of 118

Really? I think they're hilarious. I have no need for that ski but want a pair just for the top sheets and limited number they make.

post #109 of 118
Well I already have an issue looking at my tips...these would make it hard not to.
post #110 of 118

the graphics would be covered by snow, so no issue here... :beercheer:

post #111 of 118
What length did you get the ski in?

We've got to discuss binding position too.
Also, how about those edge bevels??
I've got a guy who might know...
post #112 of 118
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Ahem.



 



 





If you're on these skis and much past thirteen, I'm embarrassed for you...
post #113 of 118

^You must be embarrassed for quite a few people, can't think of many 13 year olds that are skiing a 186cm (minimum) full rocker 135mm waisted ski.

post #114 of 118
The point stands. The thread has devolved into some people acting like stereotypical 13 YO boys with a copy of Playboy. Stop and think for a second about the atmosphere that creates here. It'd be nice to take it back to something that has to do with skiing...
post #115 of 118
Thread Starter 

Mounted today at +1

post #116 of 118
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If you do want to take a look a different mount position I would very much like to hear your feedback. But no worries if you dont have time.

Hi.  Mount position.  :)  On a deep resort snow day (17" to ~31" fresh, plus), and on packed/chop two days later. 

 (There was so danged much new snow up there, that for hours I just dropped my plans to test, and skied it.)  Second test day in bold. 

 

What I discovered, to my surprise, is that the 13/14 186 Automatic (and probably yours also?) can ski like two different, great skis, depending on the mount position setting.  Two for the price of one. 

 

Up to now, with other skis, I've generally found a "sweet spot" pretty easily using demos.  But this time, for me, it would be hard.  I wouldn't want to lose either ski type by using a fixed mounting position.

 

So my first recommendation, as odd as it may seem, is to get an adjustable binding for this ski in particular, and you won't have to choose just one type of ski performance either.  

 (My demos were cheap and easy to come by as ski shop extras, new $100.  Salomon Z12 demo bindings. You'd probably want a higher DIN version.  Same binding under other brand names.  Marker Schizos would work also, but cost more, require a screw driver to adjust on the slope, and are not that different in feel.)  

 

 

 

At my lighter weight and for my skiing style (on last year's slightly different ski) 

(measured from my center-of-boot line while in the binding to the recommended "Factory" line):

 

@+.75 cm. - for me, a good balanced position that can emphasize "S" type turns in powder on different terrain, and has stability in resort Colo chop/crud all over the mountain.  Great float and feel. My best setting for groomers. 

con: not as super quick turning. 

 

@+1.8 cm. -  for me, a very quick & easy turning, lively ski including in powder & some chop, all over the mountain: can at will carve or slarve quick turns, regular or surfy, or just side smear away; super fun. If you let it, it felt like surfing.  Can do shallower or "S" surf turns.  Also great float and feel, but different.  (Sort of like the Nordica Soulrider in performance except fatter and floatier; just as quick.)  This works on more packed terrain also.  

con: not as stable in lots of big, irregular chop. Tends to skip over this stuff, which can also be fun though less stable.  Slightly less stable on groomers also. 

 

+1.25 cm. - This is the closest to a "sweet spot" setting I have on my demo bindings.  It had some of the quickness of +1.8 along with some of the stability of +.75 cm, but it felt more like the +1.8 setting, fairly quick.  

 

The above three settings (+.75 to +1.8) are the ones I'd recommend, all good.  So the Teton thread recommendation of +1 to +2 for the 186 Auto works for me also.  

 

~ -0.25 cm (near printed "factory" line) - *  Similar feel to +.7/.8 cm. mounting, except maybe more stable in heavy chop/crud.  

con: slightly slower turning, including in pure powder.  The beginning of some tip flap on packed conditions started here, so I didn't try a -1 setting.  

 

@ ~+3.0 cm. - quicker turning and more nimble but similar to +1.8.  Hard to stay forward enough, for me, at this mount.  On groomers and going fast in chop, this felt like it had a stability speed limit, for me.  

 

Conclusion: If I had to choose just one permanent setting of the ones available on my bindings, +1.25 cm. would be it.  As I said, it had some of the stability of +0.75 cm. with some of the quickness and surf of +1.8 cm.   :ski

 

 

 

(Not sure what the mounting was when I demoed this ski.* It had me doing big and varied lines through soft moguls.  It made charging in varied soft and semi-soft p.m. resort conditions easier, for me.  My guess is that it was @ +0.5 cm or 0 (factory line), settings slightly different than the ones available to me now on my demo bindings centered @ +1.25 cm.) 

 

 

Variables: me ~5'11", ~145-150 lbs.  good skier, not elite; no cliffs, switch or flips. Ski fast often.  

boots: forward near-racing tilt, for these tests (Lange RS 130s) 

Conditions: biggest powder day at Copper Mountain in the last few years; and two days later on big chop and packed powder.  

 

* I'd demoed the 179 and 186 lengths, 2x each, in powder, chop and chop/crud.


Edited by ski otter - 12/27/14 at 1:08pm
post #117 of 118
Thread Starter 

cool sounds like i should be alright at +1 probably thinking i couldve went +1.5 but too late now.

post #118 of 118
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cool sounds like i should be alright at +1 probably thinking i couldve went +1.5 but too late now.

I'll bet this will be great.

Especially at your weight, I'd guess a bit back from me would work. You can probably flex the ski more 

and get a greater range than I would at any one setting.     

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