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post #31 of 53
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Dawgcatching,

 

Your comments help me differentiate between the head models.....the Rally might be the one for me.

 

I miss going to the dealer events where I used to ski everything.  Always best to try skis than just to figure out how they might feel.

 

Bill

post #32 of 53
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Phil,

 

Thanks for the suggestions.  I am beginning to think the Rally might be the best of the Head Supershapes for me since I have a pair of wider skis for soft snow.  Whatever I buy will be a 2nd pair for hard snow only.

 

Bill

post #33 of 53

I was going to suggest the Fischer Progressor 900 but dawgcatching beat me to it.

 

Since you already have an 87mm ski for the soft snow days, I would look for a carver in the low to mid 70s.  Something wider would seem to have too much overlap with what you have. 

post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by bsimeral View Post
 

Dawgcatching,

 

Your comments help me differentiate between the head models.....the Rally might be the one for me.

 

I miss going to the dealer events where I used to ski everything.  Always best to try skis than just to figure out how they might feel.

 

Bill

 

Sometimes you aren't missing much: only the big shows seem to have anything under 90mm these days.  Maybe not in your area.  

 

The Rally is a great 8/10ths ski.  I just sold one today to a race coach that needed a high performance ski that wasn't "on" all of the time.  I would consider it such.  It is kind of like the Honda S2000 of skis:  insanely fun, but not a beast in terms of 0-60 or tension at the limit. 

post #35 of 53
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Muleski, Your background sounds similar to mine except for being younger.  Wish I was 60 again.  I am familiar with the Dynastar line and have a pair of Outland87 for softer snow.  my "kids", now 48-52, all raced and one was very good.  Despite age and having some disability (loss of muscle from a rare muscle disease), I still ski well and have a Lange XT 130s as my boot.  Got the XT's instead of the RX for ease and safety walking.  Love them except when getting in or out of them in the cold.  I will add Dynastar to my list. 

 

Thanks,

 

Bill

 

The Outland was a great high performance all-mountain ride.  I had an 87, which I loved. The 80 was quite a good carver, one of the best in that width.  Didn't sell though. 

post #36 of 53
Thread Starter 

Dawgcatching,

 

Your customer sounds like he has similar requirements to mine. 

 

The Outland did not sell that well but it is a blast to ski in soft snow.  Had it in 2' of powder and it handled that like a champ...almost felt guilty how easy it was to ski.  It's only limitation is on boiler plate...edge hold fair. 

 

Thanks for the help,

 

Bill

post #37 of 53
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Ordered a pair of Head iSupershape Rallys in 177cm length last week.  Should get them in a few days and hope to ski shortly after that.  Will report back my impression of the skis.  Thanks for everybody's input.  It helps when you can't demo skis (like I once did) on a regular basis.  Have not skied Head for decades and looking forward to the experiment.

 

Happy Holidays to everyone,

 

Bill

post #38 of 53

you mention the Head rev85pro and fwiw just for some suggestions (which is what you ask for) a couple others in very similar category and also simlar widths

perhaps you might consider any of these- I ahvnt skied them but hoping to try them demo if I can. Along with the head rev you already mentioned, Fischer Motive 86ti, K2 rictor82xti, or the fully cambered kastle MX83.   Hope the suggestions help. good luck!

post #39 of 53
Thread Starter 

Rollin,

 

Thanks for the suggestions but I decided I wanted a higher performance ski than the Head Rev 85 and also that I wanted something sub 80mm width.  Already own a pair of Dynastar Outland 87s for soft snow/western skiing and really wanted something for Midwest/NE "powder."  Head iSupershape Rally now ordered and hope to get them in a few days.

 

Bill

post #40 of 53
Thread Starter 

Update.  I got the Head Supershape Rally 177cm (77 mm waist) and love them.  Skied the last 2 days at Boyne Highlands and Nubs Knob...cold, corduroy conditions.  No regrets with my choice.  Thanks for all the comments and advice.  At 47 mph on hard, groomed snow they were unflappable in short, medium and long radius turns.  Nubs tomorrow and will be a little warmer and softer.:)

 

Bill

post #41 of 53
There you go! smile.gif
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by bsimeral View Post

Dawgcatching,

Your customer sounds like he has similar requirements to mine. 

The Outland did not sell that well but it is a blast to ski in soft snow.  Had it in 2' of powder and it handled that like a champ...almost felt guilty how easy it was to ski.  It's only limitation is on boiler plate...edge hold fair. 

Thanks for the help,

Bill
Well that's refreshing. Someone with an 87mm ski that's almost too easy in 2ft of powder. Instead of "the 110 was diving and got bogged down. Should i go 123 or look for more rocker, a 5 point tip, more taper?"
(You might like those too^)
post #43 of 53
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Well that's refreshing. Someone with an 87mm ski that's almost too easy in 2ft of powder. Instead of "the 110 was diving and got bogged down. Should i go 123 or look for more rocker, a 5 point tip, more taper?"
(You might like those too^)

Powder skis used to be defined more about sidecut (less) and flex (more) than about width. Anyone recall the late lamented Volkl Sanouk? It's 110 waist would qualify as mid-fat nowadays. But not sure there's ever been a better pure powder ski, excepting maybe the Toon. Or we could think about Pocket Rockets, and how they felt in rolling powder covered bumps. 

post #44 of 53
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Powder skis used to be defined more about sidecut (less) and flex (more) than about width. Anyone recall the late lamented Volkl Sanouk? It's 110 waist would qualify as mid-fat nowadays. But not sure there's ever been a better pure powder ski, excepting maybe the Toon. Or we could think about Pocket Rockets, and how they felt in rolling powder covered bumps. 

 

So true.  Waist width is one design parameter. Flex and the flex pattern are VERY important.  And people seem to not take into account the weight of the skier.  A mid 80s waisted ski will perform very differently in powder for a 140 lb skier than one that weighs in at 225. 

post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well that's refreshing. Someone with an 87mm ski that's almost too easy in 2ft of powder. Instead of "the 110 was diving and got bogged down. Should i go 123 or look for more rocker, a 5 point tip, more taper?"

(You might like those too^)
Powder skis used to be defined more about sidecut (less) and flex (more) than about width. Anyone recall the late lamented Volkl Sanouk? It's 110 waist would qualify as mid-fat nowadays. But not sure there's ever been a better pure powder ski, excepting maybe the Toon. Or we could think about Pocket Rockets, and how they felt in rolling powder covered bumps. 
well go back to the Snow Ranger. That's practically a front side width ski now.
What you're talking about might be true when skis were mostly the same width. Straight. Use a softer ski for powder.
The first requirement for a powder ski is waist width for flotation. There's no way around that. Flex is all over the map but generally softer obvioosly then a frontside ski.
For a while all the serious bros wanted huge stiff skis to straightline Snowbird and Alaska even if they never went there.
post #46 of 53

Finally got on the snow on my Head I Titan supershapes. Happened to be spring conditions here in Utah. Icy in the am mushy in the pm. Not only do they rip and grip but they are extremely forgiving So far a great all mountain ski

post #47 of 53
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Originally Posted by bsimeral View Post
 


Muleski, Your background sounds similar to mine except for being younger.  Wish I was 60 again.  I am familiar with the Dynastar line and have a pair of Outland87 for softer snow.  my "kids", now 48-52, all raced and one was very good.  Despite age and having some disability (loss of muscle from a rare muscle disease), I still ski well and have a Lange XT 130s as my boot.  Got the XT's instead of the RX for ease and safety walking.  Love them except when getting in or out of them in the cold.  I will add Dynastar to my list. 

 

Thanks,

 

Bill

 

Put a new heated bag on your list too.  Never turn it above "low" so it doesn't mess with your liners and foot-beds though.  Your foot will slip right in.  You'll still have to go into the lodge for a coffee to let the boots warm up for exiting though.

 

http://skigearbag.com/

post #48 of 53
Thread Starter 

Nice boot bags.  I must have gotten a boost of energy this winter because I have been able to get in and out fairly easily.  Also started using a Teflon spray that might be helping....whatever works. 

 

Bill

post #49 of 53

Surprised the Dyna Powerrtrack 89 hasn't been mentioned here. Huge sweetspot with flat tail. Great carver for a 89 underfoot (6'5", 230)

post #50 of 53
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Have a pair of the earlier version of the Powertrack 89, Outland 87s.  Nice ski and love them for softer snow.  They hold well on packed powder but are not as tenacious on the hard snow of the Midwest and NE.  I bought a pair of Head Rallys and love them in hard snow conditions.  It would be difficult to have a wider ski that tenacious.  If I replace my Outlands I would look at the Powertracks.

 

Bill

post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by tachedub View Post

Finally got on the snow on my Head I Titan supershapes. Happened to be spring conditions here in Utah. Icy in the am mushy in the pm. Not only do they rip and grip but they are extremely forgiving So far a great all mountain ski

... and if you ever have the urge to up the 'grip' anti, put a 1/3 tune on them... Different creature. smile.gif

(Have skied on mine the past 10 days out in everything from perfectly firm and lovely Midwest groomers, to bumps, to mush on coral, to corn... Still prefer them to the Rally)
post #52 of 53

That much different than a 1 / 2 tune?

post #53 of 53
Yes.
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