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post #61 of 79
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@taxman. I love the FSM logo on your profile. I'm hoping these new skis are not "noodley appendages". Just a little stiffer would be good. Here is to recruiting more pirates to solve global warming!
post #62 of 79

Does anybody happen to have a straight pull measurement tip to tail and running length for the 167?  I haven't seen a picture of the early rise profile on theses skis.  How short do they ski relative to published spec?  I think Dawg said in one of his reviews that the 177 ran around 5 cm shorter running length relative to the mx88 in 178.  I've never been on the MX88 but I thought the MX83 skied long in 173 so maybe I'd find the 167 in the sr88 to my liking.  Looking for a soft snow EC ski  and an all mountain for trips out west. Applications are cruising with the family on blues poking around  in bumps and trees etc.  I'd have another ski for days with any significant new snow.  I'm 5'5" 160# a want something that I can bend lower speeds.  I'm currently skiing Bones and Latigo in 173 and 170 and really like them but it would be nice to have something a bit more nuanced for lower speed skiing at my weight.

Thx

dave

post #63 of 79

I mentioned before I would check back in after I was able to run these.  So here are some notes for the next person considering this purchase.    My initial impressions are that I am in love.  Not just a little admiration love... the marrying kind where you think this one is different and we are going to have a long term relationship.  I've run them twice now and I'm ready to propose.  Call the preacher and reserve a date.

Day 1 = raining on top of several inches of fresh snow for  super heavy cascade cement with spring like slush at lower elevations.  Not exactly ideal conditions but some really messy heavy chop to work through.  They knife through the chop with great confidence.  I was able to find some perfect groomers at higher elevations and when these are on their sides they really draw confidence.  Someone before mentioned that you have to be on your game to ski these and I would second that motion.  If you are on the shins of your boots and in a forward athletic stance, its ON!  If you are cruising and not on your shins then they are fine but you are missing the potential.  I would relate this to driving a porsche in "automatic" which is fine versus shifting it into manual, downshifting and sticking your foot to the floor. I did move the adjustable bindings forwards and backwards and found that for me this ski really came alive on the groomers when I went forward 2cm.  I was getting cocky with the new found confidence once we got to know each other.  This ski has a higher speed limit than I am willing to test.  And it skis great at medium speeds which is what I was looking for.

Day 2 = The slush was refrozen and a new inch of fresh was on top.  Very good groomers and 6" of refrozen chopped powder off piste. I ran my first two runs with the +2cm bindings setting from the day before and found them to be really good but a fair amount of work off piste.  Then I remembered the bindings and moved them to -1cm behind neutral and man they came alive in the chop.  I was blazing through hard crusty leftover powder like it wasn't even there and having a blast in really sub par snow. I didn't really notice any detriment this day on the good groomers in the minus setting.  I dropped into a few chopped up bowls and found myself really in charge and blasting through piles of crap like they weren't there.  I even found some areas with 6" of good powder and they were heavenly.

So here is where we are.  I'm calling Mom and telling her that I've met someone and she is different from all the rest.  This could be one I could see myself getting old with.   I really liked this ski and think it would suit anyone with good technical form.  I really don't feel qualified to judge her yet on just two days of riding as I know I didn't even come close to the limits of this ski in our first two dances.  This one has some surprises yet to come and I'm looking forward to them.  I used to think the perfect quiver would be four skis but now I'm thinking it could be three.  A skinny carving ski, the SR 88 and a ~115 powder ski for over 6" of snow.  Wow, they were expensive but worth every penny.  Very satisfied with the purchase.  The SR 88 and I are going to get along just fine.....

post #64 of 79
So how tall is she?
post #65 of 79

bought the 177. happy with the selection.  I can already tell this ski can handle someone way above my ability.  I'm in over my head in a good way with this one.  I don't I'll ever see the limits.   Like a four wheel drive Lamborghini.  Unless you are the Stig, you aren't pushing the upper envelope.  But it cruises for me just fine.

post #66 of 79
Got to demo the 177 SR88 vs the brahma today. Rode the mx88 yesterday. I'm 5'10" 160 lb expert skier that skis 65 days/yr mostly in Aspen. Trees, bumps, steeps, and powder if it will ever snow. I ski a 185cm hell and back everyday, a line influence 115(186) in powder, and just added LinE SN108 for wheat he pow is chopped and the days after the storm. Looking for something in 88 range to replace hell and back as the snows been hard.

The Mx 88 is the most powerful carver of the group but not easy to change turn shape or starve when needed thus didn't love off piste.whe. I first got on I loved it, but after trying differnt terrain, realized that there is very little room for imprecision off piste.

The sr88 was smooooth. I do think there is baby seal skin in there. Carved very good, but not quite as good edge hold as the kastle(maybe the tune). Better at varying turn shape, less forward pressure needed to initiate. Off piste, did what you asked with little effort. For me,mother had an amazing ease and smoothness with a surprising stability at speed.

The brahma had a different feel but carved as well as the sr88, almost as stable at speed, but didn't have the baby seal skin of the sr88. Very versatile off piste, and skied bumps well if you're good. Skied them in the 180. Would definitely buy these. Or the sr 88.

If price was no object, the sr88 would be my first choice due to the feel that is almost indescribable. But due to price and fear of plants of rocks, I might choose the brahma.

Going to try the head monster 88 next week. I loved my old monster 88. Maybe this will be the one. Some great skis in the category for sure.
post #67 of 79
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The brahma had a different feel but carved as well as the sr88, almost as stable at speed...Very versatile off piste, and skied bumps well if you're good. Skied them in the 180. Would definitely buy these. Or the sr 88.
So liked both the SR88 and Brahma. What are your stats? Did Brahma ski shorter or longer than the SR88?
post #68 of 79
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So liked both the SR88 and Brahma. What are your stats? Did Brahma ski shorter or longer than the SR88?

What stats would you like to know besides my height weight etc stated in the first paragraph. I skied them in comparable lengths(177 SR88 vs 180 brahma) and they seemed great for me. I'm pretty sure I could ski either in one size up as I'm used to a 186 ski but lately gave been demoing the 177-180 ski range for my low snow ski. Plenty of stability at speed for me. They are both excellent, but the stockli gives you that indescribable stockli feel that it's always connected to the snow. You pay for that feel.
post #69 of 79
Got it. Thx.
post #70 of 79
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

So liked both the SR88 and Brahma. What are your stats? Did Brahma ski shorter or longer than the SR88?

What stats would you like to know besides my height weight etc stated in the first paragraph. I skied them in comparable lengths(177 SR88 vs 180 brahma) and they seemed great for me. I'm pretty sure I could ski either in one size up as I'm used to a 186 ski but lately gave been demoing the 177-180 ski range for my low snow ski. Plenty of stability at speed for me. They are both excellent, but the stockli gives you that indescribable stockli feel that it's always connected to the snow. You pay for that feel.

Smileguy1,

Any distinct winner in edgegrip between the two..?

post #71 of 79
The edge hold was relatively similar on my feet- they both rail and are very stable at speed. Although the stockli didn't have thee freshest tune. Unless you've been on a stockli, I think it's hard to understand the smoothness of feel. My buddy needed up buying it today. I'm still debating as I know I'd be perfectly happy on the brahma and worry less about htitting rocks( I am buying one of these as my firm conditions ski which around here means low coverage usually and I still like to ski the fun/sketchier terrain)
post #72 of 79
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

What I've skied in the 85-90 class:

Rev 85 pro
rev 90
Stockli SR 88
Kastle MX88
Dynastar power track 89
Rossi E-88
Nordica Nrgy 90


There really isn't a bad ski in the 85-90 world. It's pretty amazing really. Jumped on my Rev 85pros for the first day Sat... Much nicer for me in the 184 vs. 177.
If any one of the above were handed to me to ski on for free, they'd all work. Stronger, heavier skiers just need to be careful with length. Too short is still too short.

Interesting... I used to have a pair of rev 85 pro in 177 cm ( me: 6 feet; 210 pounds) and never really liked them. They held an edge ok and could also carve ok but felt "blah" under my feet... Sold them after having skiing them a couple of time... Too bad cause the flex was nice for bumps and the base is very solid ... Do you think I would have a different opinion if I was on a 184?

post #73 of 79

@smileguy1, how did the Monster 88 stack up to the Brahma and SR 88?  I'm in the market for an 88mm-ish ski, and these are definitely on my shortlist, I'm very interested in your impressions/comparisons.

post #74 of 79
All great skis, I could ski any of them as my hard snow daily driver for ripping groomers and bumps. but for me I'd take the monster88. Stockli has the great snow feel that is amazing and indescribable, but not in love with the tip taper. I don't think neccessary in a ski this width and makes the initiation vague. For me, save that for 105mm and up. Brahma a great ski, that has great grip and nice stability and dampness. Much preferable to the bonafide that didn't wow me. The monster88 had the ideal flex for me and my weight. I'm 160, 5'11". Much like the sr88, it was easy to Bend when wanted to but still grips like hell. Then easily releases the tail whenever I need. Extremely intuitive ski for me. Felt almost as smooth as the stockli but graphene not quite as smooth as the baby seal skin. I skied 177 as that seems to be what they're demoing. Usually ski 186cm hell and back and other all mountains but have been very happy demoing the 177-180 88mm wide skis. They have plenty of stability at speed, a touch easier in the bumps, and think I'm getting into the slightly shorter TR compared to my longer skis. Loving how easy to arc a super high angle carve. That's just my 2 cents, hope it helps
post #75 of 79
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... Do you think I would have a different opinion if I was on a 184?


Absolutely. You might really like the Monster 88 as well. It's a nice ski... Feels like the Rev's bit stiffer, heavier brother.
post #76 of 79
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@smileguy1
, how did the Monster 88 stack up to the Brahma and SR 88?  I'm in the market for an 88mm-ish ski, and these are definitely on my shortlist, I'm very interested in your impressions/comparisons.
i did some extensive research on 88's before settling on E88's. The SR88 and Brahma are two totally different skis. The Brahma feels heavier and stiffer than the SR. It feels like a different breed of ski as well (perhaps innovative), quite different from traditional cambered thin skis. The way it turns feels different. It's stable, damp and fast. It feels like an Audi--this statement may make total sense to some.

OTOH, the SR88 is a laid back cruiser that can carve too.. It's Barry White smooth, the most smooth ski I have ever skied. You'll know it instantly when you ski on them. Good solid edge hold for a medium stiff ski. The ski gives you confidence and comport. It turns more like normal skis. I would buy a pair if I didn't have two pairs of Stöckli's already.
Edited by nochaser - 3/31/15 at 3:45am
post #77 of 79
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


Absolutely. You might really like the Monster 88 as well. It's a nice ski... Feels like the Rev's bit stiffer, heavier brother.

I didn't like the Rev, found it a bit soft and underpowered for my liking.  Sounds like the Monster 88 might be just the ticket.

 

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i did some extensive research on 88's before settling on E88's. The SR88 and Brahma are two totally different skis. The Brahma feels heavier and stiffer than the SR. It feels like a different breed of ski as well (perhaps innovative), quite different from traditional cambered thin skis. The way it turns feels different. It's stable, damp and fast.

 

Interesting.  I've skied the Bonafide, found it non-traditional and a bit vague.  If the Brahma is essentially a thinner Bonafide, then it may not be the type of ski I'm looking for to tackle the Eastern mixed snow and Western groomer/bump days.    Thanks for the input!

post #78 of 79
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


Absolutely. You might really like the Monster 88 as well. It's a nice ski... Feels like the Rev's bit stiffer, heavier brother.

 

Will have to try the 184 just to verify  and of course, the Monster 88! 

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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post
 

I didn't like the Rev, found it a bit soft and underpowered for my liking.  Sounds like the Monster 88 might be just the ticket.

 

 

Interesting.  I've skied the Bonafide, found it non-traditional and a bit vague.  If the Brahma is essentially a thinner Bonafide, then it may not be the type of ski I'm looking for to tackle the Eastern mixed snow and Western groomer/bump days.    Thanks for the input!

Maybe you would be better suited with the Blizzard Magnum 8.5.. A more high performance Brahma...I have one for sale...:rolleyes

post #79 of 79

Getting very interested in these. Can anyone compare the SR88 vs the Nrgy90?

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