I have been debating on purchasing a set of these and am looking for input from anyone out there with a opinion. I am considering the ski in the 177 size, 122-72-104 16.2 turn radius. I am 6'4" 250 carving junkie who others would describe as a strong skier. My current quiver ranges from WC SLs to Rev 85s. I have a lot of overlap in my quiver. I enjoy variety. I am told that this would be THE ski for my tastes. I ski in the Midwest 3 to 4 times per week and last season got 70 in. What we lack in elevation we have in very high quality groom [Nubs Nob]. This would be the sixth pair in the quiver, with the possibility of crowding a pair or two of inferior skis out. I would love to demo this ski, but this is quite impossible. Any thoughts?
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Have the SC @ 170cm and the SX at 178cm.... (6' / 180lbs)..... Haven't skied the SC in 4 years but the SX is my favourite hard snow ski. Like beyond, I think the SX is worthy of your consideration.
Thanks to all, for your input. The reason I am looking at the SC is for turn radius. We are limited in our vertical here and I have found that a 15 to 16 radius is nice setup for hills we have. The 177 is the longest size they make for this ski. I have had lots of experience with the Head Super Shape line and found that even though the 177 was the longest size available, being large was not an issue. I have been told that Head builds the longest size with this in mind. For that matter I have a great time ripping around on a set of 165 WC SLs. Anybody know if this is true? Any guess if Stockli is similar? The hesitation on making this purchase is price. I have read that this is a unique ski and worth the money. Thanks
OK, here's the thing: 1) Short doesn't always mean the same thing. Slalom skis are built differently than rec skis. They tend to have a very stiff flex in front and back, which makes the ski tougher to initiate and finish but more stable once into the turn. They have a (comparatively) more moderate flex in mid-ski, to allow a deeper flex to adjust the radius in mid turn. Rec skis are just the opposite. So a WC SL is built to handle elite racers of any size. A comparable rec carver is not.
2) The flex of a ski is determined by its cross sectional area and construction, not its length. So your weight, the speed you ski at, and to some degree, your ability to get the ski over on its side, will determine how flexy it feels. The length makes it easier or harder to pressure the tip; imagine a triangle from your boot center to the ski tip and then up to your center of mass near your hip. So your height will be the main thing there, although obviously the design of the ski front will also play into this.
3) So when I say that you're too big for a 177, what I mean is that at 6'4", you're likely to overpressure the tips pretty easily, leading to inadvertent turns, instability, and/or hooky behavior in crud. And at 250, you're already deeply flexing the ski, including the tip, without much trying. The result will be you'll get rewarded for skiing slower, or with your weight back. Neither are desirable if they're not by choice.
4) The solution, commonly, is to go with a stiffer ski design, and if possible, in a length that's more appropriate to your height. Turn radius is less relevant because you change that every time you bend the ski when it's on edge, and also, skis of the same radius can show weird differences in how easy or tough they are to turn. Which is usually do the the design of the tip, and how the sidecut actually plays out relative to the contact point of the base with the snow. Keep in mind also that many skis now are multiple radii, and the number given is just for the radius at mid-sidecut. So the real world difference between 15 and 18 m can be trivial. Keep in mind that the WC SL you like is probably 13 m, but it handles longer turns just fine.
5) That's why couple of us recommended the SX. It's beefier all around than the SC. If the price is offputting (and I can understand why), there are some less expensive candidates. The Kastle RX is the same hybrid genre as the SC - which I regard as more versatile than the SX actually - but it's beefier, about $200 less than the Stocklis, every bit as refined, and comes in longer lengths. The Blizzard G-Power FS IQ is a great ski for bigger folks, livelier than the Kastle and a touch less refined feeling, but as good on snow performance (very high in both), and a few hundred less than the Kastle, if you consider that the price includes an excellent integrated binding.
Thank you for the input. I hear what you are saying regarding ski length to a heavy/tall skier. I have skied almost all of the short radius rec. skis available over the last several years with mixed results. For instance, the older Head Supershape in the longest size  did not work at all for me. I experienced a lot what Beyond was referring to. The original SS had a ton of side cut, if I remember correctly around 13m. I sold the SS and replaced them with a set of WC SLs. Problem solved. I skied the Head Supershape Magnum  and that ski was magic for my purposes. The Magnum was a 14.7m and a very versatile ski, showing none of the problems that I experienced with the SS. I have had the opportunity to demo several skis using the same ski, but different lengths and have experiencing exactly what Beyond is talking about. I have had a couple of reps tell me that a ski will be built differently depending on size. The Dynastar Course Ti at 177 was a very different ski than the 184. I bought the 184 and it works very well for me. The 177 behaved just as Beyond explained. If it sounds like I have a strange obsession with front side carvers, you would be right. I am skiing on 500ft hills. Its what I have to work with. One would be surprised how much fun you can have on perfect groom with the right tool for the job. I was hoping since I have had good experiences with the longest size made by a few of the companies, perhaps Stockli would have a similar build. I have room in my quiver for a 15 to 16 radius ski. I have been told by a few, that the SC would fit well. The price of the Stockli is not a huge issue, providing it would work as well as promised. I will take a closer look at the SX. There are few things in life that I enjoy more than bending a fine ski. I am always on the look out for the perfect tool for the job.
Beyond, I am a female skier 5'5 and 110lbs skiing on Stoeckli Laser SC 163cms and have found them to catch edges in the crud? From your above posts you seem quite knowledgeable in regards to Stoeckli ski's and was wondering if you have any suggestions? I don't know if the ski's are right for me or maybe I need a few lessons ( I have been skiing for over 20 years steeps, bowls, chutes)
That's a great ski but best for groomers and surpringly decent in bumps, get a different ski for 3-d snow is my suggestion, maybe something 88-95 mm in width with a tny but of tip and tail ticker.
I started this thread last season when I was considering buying the Laser SC. I bought the ski and have been very happy with my choice. In fact I have been so pleased with the Laser SC, that I have added the Laser SL and GS to my quiver. With that being said, I will say that the Laser SC is a versatile ski to a point. The first time I skied the SC was about 4" of fresh on top of groom. The SC was fantastic all day, and surprisingly outstanding when conditions changed to cut up fresh in piles. I guess this is called crud. Your experience may vary, as I am heavy and find that the SCs would slice through the chop maintaining contact with the base.
The Laser SC is a IMHO the finest carver available. I do agree that there are many better options for crud.
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