I like a big rockered ski if there is no chance of finding the bottom. That's one big difference if I can cut through the crud and carve on the bottom I want a slicer. If not then yes I want a ski that is going to stay up on top and I want some rocker. I still like the low slicey tip as seen on the Patron. This year I've added Helldorados - Patron shape + metal for crudbusting!