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post #181 of 222
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
 

 

That early rise is what makes the ski work so well.  It softens the moguls and helps the tip float in manky crud.  The tip engages plenty well on hard pack.  Fischer nailed that profile and shouldn't change it!

 

BTW...  I keep my edges sharp from tip to tail.  I don't detune and I have never had a problem with the tails being too grabby.


Last years you were kind enough to share some impressions about your Big Stix 110.  No detuning on those either, out of curiousity? 

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post #182 of 222
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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post
 

You're probably right about the tip rise.  Hard not to want to monkey around with a ski's design just a bit though.......

 

I know when I ski it for awhile, it feels great everywhere, but when I ski it the day after my Fire Arrows, the hardpack tip engagement feels a bit lazy at turn initiation for the first half of the first run.

 

Agree on the sharp edges.  That's the way I roll on just about every ski I own, even my 113 mm Patrons.

 

I hope the Motive replacement is worthy!

Of course a cambered ski like the Fire Arrow will engage earlier and harder on the hard pack than any ski with early rise.  I'd bet that the Fire Arrow doesn't serve you as well when conditions get strange as the Motive does.  I'm surprised how strongly the Motive rips hard pack for a ski that is 95 underfoot and has early rise.  My particular pair has about 200 days of fairly hard skiing on them and is starting to flap a little on the hard pack, but still has a pretty high speed limit.

 

Sadly Fischer is much better at making skis than selling skis.  The Motive sold poorly even though I think it's a better ski than others in its class.  I blame Fischer for not marketing it well.  We have demos here, but it sounds like it's hard to find demos at most places.  Fischer doesn't bother to show up at major demo days, doesn't send skis to the magazines for the annual ski testing, and doesn't even list current models on their website.  From my perspective the only thing they've done right was getting a few pairs to me and some of the other top instructors that I know;).  Fischers are selling well in the SS because we promote them to our peers.  The Motive 86 is becoming one of the most popular skis for L3 candidates.  Every student I've had that demoed the Motive 95 loved it and a few have bought them at great deals.

 

 

I also hope the replacement is worthy because my current pair is about toasted.  At least I can get a cheap replacement from all of the unsold stock:(.


Edited by tetonpwdrjunkie - 2/26/16 at 8:57am
post #183 of 222
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Originally Posted by mcdave69 View Post
 


Last years you were kind enough to share some impressions about your Big Stix 110.  No detuning on those either, out of curiousity? 

 

I don't detune any of my skis.

 

There hasn't been a ski made that I can't shmear:D!

post #184 of 222
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
 

 

I don't detune any of my skis.

 

There hasn't been a ski made that I can't shmear:D!

Hey, thank you, I do appreciate it!  hoping to get to ride my big stix at grand targhee, but not holding my breath since I'm not coming out until April.

post #185 of 222
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Originally Posted by mcdave69 View Post
 

Hey, thank you, I do appreciate it!  hoping to get to ride my big stix at grand targhee, but not holding my breath since I'm not coming out until April.

 

The Big Stix might be perfect for Targhee in April.  You could get powder, or you could have deep sloppy corn, maybe on the same day:D.  The BS will work well in either of those conditions

post #186 of 222

Have not demo'd the 95 Motive (my Nordica Hell and Backs rule that width), but I can tell you I love the 86 Motives.:yahoo:

post #187 of 222

Thank you mr. PwdrJunkie, you made my whole day!

post #188 of 222

I got to ski the new "Motive 95" at the Mt Rose demo show, and first impressions were good. It's more "smeary" than the old Motive, wants to play around and slide a little more, but as soon as you get it onto a higher edge angle on groomers it still rips (to my relief). I'm curious to see how the ski will do in crud/chop/powder (we didn't have any sort of new snow at Mt Rose), as aside from ripping groomers that was the old skis strength, skiing pretty much any snow you could find well. Will be curious to see if other people get it in deeper/mankier snow to see how it does.

post #189 of 222
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Originally Posted by MrFox View Post
 

I got to ski the new "Motive 95" at the Mt Rose demo show, and first impressions were good. It's more "smeary" than the old Motive, wants to play around and slide a little more, but as soon as you get it onto a higher edge angle on groomers it still rips (to my relief). I'm curious to see how the ski will do in crud/chop/powder (we didn't have any sort of new snow at Mt Rose), as aside from ripping groomers that was the old skis strength, skiing pretty much any snow you could find well. Will be curious to see if other people get it in deeper/mankier snow to see how it does.

Are you saying you skied the replacement for the Motive 95 (whatever that is called)?

post #190 of 222

There is a  difference  between the 2015 Motive 95 Ti and the 2016 version .The 2015 is by any stretch the king all mountain - freeride ski that I wouldn't hesitate to take on any trip east or west. The 2016 is a much stronger piste ski then off piste ski.It is very '' reactive'' and fast edge to edge , difficult to find something negative about this ski on piste. Off piste however I find it different from the 2015 model, it shows its limits faster then expected . It sinks faster in powder, it requires more attention in difficult snow , it is less forgiving then the 2015 and it requires a more skillful pilot as a whole. It remains however a very capable ski.

post #191 of 222

That's why I was curious which he was referencing. I have 14-15 version. I love everything about it, except maybe the graphics. They aren't bad really, but they sure are boring. 

post #192 of 222
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Originally Posted by afterburn View Post
 

That's why I was curious which he was referencing. I have 14-15 version. I love everything about it, except maybe the graphics. They aren't bad really, but they sure are boring. 

I would describe them as "restrained"...at least they won't look too dated in 10 years, since I'll probably still have mine at that point.

post #193 of 222

Afterburn, yes, I skied the Motive 95's replacement. It was the "Fischer All Mtn" or something similar?

post #194 of 222
There is no functional difference between the 14/15 and the 15/16 versions of the Motive skis, only a slightly different top sheet.
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I also don't believe there is any difference between the 14/15 and the 15/16 version of the Motive. It is a completely redesigned ski for next year (16/17) with a new name.

post #196 of 222
This ski :

whatever year or colors is different from this ski :

in anything else but piste skiing .
post #197 of 222

@Bogatyr, a tip for you...

 

Right click on the image you have found on the web and select "Copy Image Address" like so (your context menu will look a little different depending on your browser but that option should always be there):

 

 

Then click on the "Insert Image" icon in the reply window (the one with the mountains, supposed to look like a picture):

 

 

Then paste the URL you copied where it says "an Image URL":

 

 

That way you don't have to take a picture of your laptop screen with your phone/camera.  Thumbs Up 

 

As you were, apologies for the hijack.

post #198 of 222
Thank you jaobrien6 ! I"ll try to do it a little better next time.
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post
 

There is a  difference  between the 2015 Motive 95 Ti and the 2016 version .The 2015 is by any stretch the king all mountain - freeride ski that I wouldn't hesitate to take on any trip east or west. The 2016 is a much stronger piste ski then off piste ski.It is very '' reactive'' and fast edge to edge , difficult to find something negative about this ski on piste. Off piste however I find it different from the 2015 model, it shows its limits faster then expected . It sinks faster in powder, it requires more attention in difficult snow , it is less forgiving then the 2015 and it requires a more skillful pilot as a whole. It remains however a very capable ski.

 

Are you sure tunes were comparable? The skis are identical with the only change being in topsheet

post #200 of 222
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Originally Posted by Bogatyr View Post

Thank you jaobrien6 ! I"ll try to do it a little better next time.

 

No worries at all, just trying to be helpful.

post #201 of 222
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

Are you sure tunes were comparable? The skis are identical with the only change being in topsheet
This is what I thought as well and it's not about tune. They just ski different in soft snow and powder. I have the older model and I was able to demo the 2016 version for a couple of days. If you only ski them on hard pack you wouldn't probably notice a big difference. In soft snow, powder and crud however they ski different and to my taste the 2016 version is a step back. I don't know what they did, may be they have stiffened the ski a little or they have stiffened some places only ( the wrong places?...) , but there is a difference. There is an European site that gives a very good comparison between the 2 versions (based on their tests) and they give very similar results to what I say, but I lost the link. As soon as find it I'll post it right here there is very useful info in it.
Edited by Bogatyr - 2/28/16 at 8:21pm
post #202 of 222
I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm very, very interested in this ski. I find my Line Supernatural 100's a bit uninspiring on the groomers. I really like them overall but want something to bring out when it hasn't snowed in a while. On those days I still like to hit the off-piste junk snow (the SN 100's are admittedly incredible for this) but those same attributes (weighty, ultra-damp and a bit of tail rise & taper) are not great for groomers. I find them a bit slow edge-to-edge too. They are acceptable but predictably dead-ish and take some speed/higher angled slopes to get the most out of them. I think a flat-tailed ski would be more fun for zooming around on corduroy.
I'm 47 y/o guy, 195#, 6' and am a good technical skier who likes everything but bumps. I'm not as aggressive as I used to be. I ski at Powder Mountain and Snowbasin. I want something that is more groomer-biased but will not be the 'wrong ski' when that 2" snow report turns into 10" when you get there. I feel like my Lines are more 70 off/ 30 on piste and am looking for more of a 50/50 ski that is by no means snappy on the groomers but more precise and traditional feeling.
On big pow days or for cat skiing I will bring out the SN 100's.
I'm thinking the Motive 95ti in 186cm may be the ticket. Other skis I have researched/drooled over are the Salomon 8.8 X-Drive and Head Monster 88. I think they may be a bit more unforgiving.
post #203 of 222
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Originally Posted by Shawn W Satch View Post

I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm very, very interested in this ski. I find my Line Supernatural 100's a bit uninspiring on the groomers. I really like them overall but want something to bring out when it hasn't snowed in a while. On those days I still like to hit the off-piste junk snow (the SN 100's are admittedly incredible for this) but those same attributes (weighty, ultra-damp and a bit of tail rise & taper) are not great for groomers. I find them a bit slow edge-to-edge too. They are acceptable but predictably dead-ish and take some speed/higher angled slopes to get the most out of them. I think a flat-tailed ski would be more fun for zooming around on corduroy.
I'm 47 y/o guy, 195#, 6' and am a good technical skier who likes everything but bumps. I'm not as aggressive as I used to be. I ski at Powder Mountain and Snowbasin. I want something that is more groomer-biased but will not be the 'wrong ski' when that 2" snow report turns into 10" when you get there. I feel like my Lines are more 70 off/ 30 on piste and am looking for more of a 50/50 ski that is by no means snappy on the groomers but more precise and traditional feeling.
On big pow days or for cat skiing I will bring out the SN 100's.
I'm thinking the Motive 95ti in 186cm may be the ticket. Other skis I have researched/drooled over are the Salomon 8.8 X-Drive and Head Monster 88. I think they may be a bit more unforgiving.

Everything you've said points towards you loving the Motive 95 (I own the 186, and I'm 6'2" and 195 -- it never feels like too much).

 

Get 'em while you can!

 

If you can't find any, I'd personally be looking towards the Monster 88 you mentioned, though I haven't skied them yet.

post #204 of 222

I agree with @HRPufnStf  . And I own the ski too and am similar size.  I wonder, if you really just want a groomer zoomer and are keeping the Line, why not go for the Motive 86? Or Salomon x drive 8.0, or a bunch of other more groomer oriented?

post #205 of 222

Go with the 95.  They have plenty of zip, so if thats what you're looking for I'm sure you'll be happy. On soft groomed snow, you can lay them over and carve trenches.  And I found them good even in rock-hard eastern bumps!

post #206 of 222
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Originally Posted by afterburn View Post
 

I agree with @HRPufnStf  . And I own the ski too and am similar size.  I wonder, if you really just want a groomer zoomer and are keeping the Line, why not go for the Motive 86? Or Salomon x drive 8.0, or a bunch of other more groomer oriented?


Oh, I've had that conversation with myself a lot!  I inevitably end up skiing some junked up off-piste snow and I think the 95 would be better for that than the 86.  What you are saying makes sense but I think I will enjoy the mid-90 width more.

 

I almost pulled the trigger on the Head Monster 88 but from everything I'm reading it seems like the Fischer will be A) A bit less demanding and B) A bit better for crud/junky snow.

 

Thanks all!!!

 

Now onwards to find a deal.

post #207 of 222

I thought the Motive 95 was the best OSQ ski I've ever had.  I skied them pretty hard in a lot of conditions and they were great.  I delamed my tips after about 150 days and don't have them anymore.  They stopped making the Motives, so this season I'll be on fresh pairs of All Mountain 95s and 86s.  I'm hoping they will be as good as the Motive 95 and 86 were.

post #208 of 222
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post
 

I thought the Motive 95 was the best OSQ ski I've ever had.  I skied them pretty hard in a lot of conditions and they were great.  I delamed my tips after about 150 days and don't have them anymore.  They stopped making the Motives, so this season I'll be on fresh pairs of All Mountain 95s and 86s.  I'm hoping they will be as good as the Motive 95 and 86 were.


Have you tried the Ranger 98 Ti ? 

 

FreeSkier Magazine ranked Ranger 98 Ti #2 in the category with a score of 8.70 (whatever it is that means) putting it ahead of the Nordica Enforcer 93 which was 3rd.

 

To recap (and quote FS mag),

 

"Fischer Ranger 98 Ti: Carving 9.26, Stability 9.17, Versatility 9.76, Float 7.32, Playfulness 7.99,

Score 8.70"

 

"Nordica Enforcer 93: Carving 9.81, Stability 9.41, Versatility 9.34, Float 5.89, Playfulness 7.70,

Score 8.43"

post #209 of 222

For anyone looking for 180's or smaller of the Motive 95, STP still has some really cheap.

post #210 of 222

STP?

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