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2014 Head Supershape Rally 177

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Hi guys!!! This is my first post but have been reading this site for several years and have found alot of useful information. Especially about race carvers. So I bought a pair of 2014 Head Rally's 177 and have been super impressed with this ski but feel like I would benefit from a skinnier waist. These are 77mm underfoot. I think I would prefer something more around 70mm. Has anyone skied this ski and found they wanted a narrower version? Anyone want to trade?? Or sell me their Stockli SX 178's?? Ya I know dream on right?

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Originally Posted by cnski1 View Post
 

Hi guys!!! This is my first post but have been reading this site for several years and have found alot of useful information. Especially about race carvers. So I bought a pair of 2014 Head Rally's 177 and have been super impressed with this ski but feel like I would benefit from a skinnier waist. These are 77mm underfoot. I think I would prefer something more around 70mm. Has anyone skied this ski and found they wanted a narrower version? Anyone want to trade?? Or sell me their Stockli SX 178's?? Ya I know dream on right?

 

Well, the Stockli SX is a mind blowing ski.   I agree though, the Rally doesn't need a wider 77mm waist for what it does, but if you want to venture off piste, it makes sense.  70mm is plenty wide for a frontside ski.  

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I bought this ski for groomers only and don't really plan on taking it off trail. I was really after a hard snow ski. But it was too good a deal to pass up!!

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What is your height and weight?  177 is on the long side for a Rally and if you are not on the larger size it could be the ski length, not the waist width.

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I bought this ski for groomers only and don't really plan on taking it off trail. I was really after a hard snow ski. But it was too good a deal to pass up!!

A good deal on the wrong ski is never a good deal.

Along the lines of JimH's post, try moving the binding +1 or 1.5 forward.
Edited by markojp - 12/3/14 at 9:52am
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A good deal on the wrong ski is ever a good deal.
 

:dunno This is a head scratcher to me. With that logic, I should concentrate on last season's junior rec skis, which are dirt cheap right now. 

 

IME, the exact opposite is true. A good deal on the wrong ski still puts you on the wrong ski, and ends up costing more when you turn over that wrong ski several seasons sooner than you would the right ski. 

 

That said, unclear why this is the wrong ski, period. OP won't notice much of a difference between 70 and 77 mm, and IMO narrower Stocklis are a) demanding, and b) wanting firm snow to shine. The SX is a slightly detuned, deeper sidecut, stubby GS. Which is what the "X" means, "Cross." Groomers aren't inevitably rough form snow and ice; the Rally's will be far superior to the SX's in bumps, for instance, or typical man made crud at normal speeds. And not markedly inferior on hardpack. The SX will be more stable at silly fast speeds, and will feel more refined for the extra $500 retail (but assume the real difference between OP's great deal and a $1395 SX is closer to the price of a second pair of skis, say $750?). 

 

So OP: What do you weigh and how tall are you? Where do you ski? What level are you? The 177 might be the wrong ski because it's too big for you. Otherwise, it's the right ski. My prediction: If you're large, and anything less than a true high advanced to expert, you'll be happier on the Rally than the SX. Not to mention richer. Go spend the $750 on a second ski that has "FIS WC" on its topsheet if you're worried about grip...

 

Or better, a bunch of lessons. 

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th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif This is a head scratcher to me. With that logic, I should concentrate on last season's junior rec skis, which are dirt cheap right now. 

IME, the exact opposite is true. A good deal on the wrong ski still puts you on the wrong ski, and ends up costing more when you turn over that wrong ski several seasons sooner than you would the right ski. 

That said, unclear why this is the wrong ski, period. OP won't notice much of a difference between 70 and 77 mm, and IMO narrower Stocklis are a) demanding, and b) wanting firm snow to shine. The SX is a slightly detuned, deeper sidecut, stubby GS. Which is what the "X" means, "Cross." Groomers aren't inevitably rough form snow and ice; the Rally's will be far superior to the SX's in bumps, for instance, or typical man made crud at normal speeds. And not markedly inferior on hardpack. The SX will be more stable at silly fast speeds, and will feel more refined for the extra $500 retail (but assume the real difference between OP's great deal and a $1395 SX is closer to the price of a second pair of skis, say $750?). 

So OP: What do you weigh and how tall are you? Where do you ski? What level are you? The 177 might be the wrong ski because it's too big for you. Otherwise, it's the right ski. My prediction: If you're large, and anything less than a true high advanced to expert, you'll be happier on the Rally than the SX. Not to mention richer. Go spend the $750 on a second ski that has "FIS WC" on its topsheet if you're worried about grip...

Or better, a bunch of lessons. 

Excuse my typo. A good deal on the wrong ski is Never a good deal. We're saying exactly the same thing. My suggestion to go 1-1.5 forward is based on my own experiences with the Rev series and the Titan. He already owns the ski. Why not try a tweak to see if it works better? Easy enough to do with the system binding.
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At this point, I'd recommend you demo. It sounds like you really like the Rally (78mm, 14.8 m @ 177), and thus want something with similar characteristics (flex balance and sidecut), but that's more flat-snow oriented.  Given this, you might want to consider the Magnum (72 mm, 14.2 m @ 177) or (for more performance) the iSupershape Speed (66 mm, 15.5 m @ 177) (not to be confused with the iSpeed).  You might not like the Stockli SX, which has significantly less sidecut (70 mm, 17.3 m @ 178).  If you were to consider a Stockli, you might want to instead look at the CX (68 mm, 15.4 m @ 177).

 

And yes, under the assumption that your Rallys have Head's moveable system bindings, by all means play with the fore-aft position.


Edited by chemist - 12/3/14 at 10:10am
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I am 44 y/o, 6'2" and weigh 235 lbs. Been skiing my whole life in Little Cottonwood Canyon. Used to race but that was 20+ years ago. I'm a WC ski racing fan. That's the sport I watch. I have a deep appreciation for a carved, elegant and powerful turn. Living in a powder mecca people tend to ski their fat skis in all conditions. I was guilty of that too. And we get our fair share of hard snow. Although not compared to the East I'm sure. Then I got my hands on some MX88 188's largely based on reviews here on this forum. Great ski. Love it, but found it lacked edge grip on the real hard stuff. I'm sure improved technique would help. But I thought I would expand my quiver and bought the Rally's thinking it would really be my hard snow ski and give me that confidence I lacked on the MX's. It is also a great ski. No complaints about the Rally other than on the real hard stuff. So today I got on a pair of 67mm Nordica Dobermann 181 GS Pro's circa 2010 that I just bought with bindings for $80!!!! Ya that's right!! WOW!!! Now I know what edge grip is all about. I was initially apprehensive about being on a race ski but I had a blast and didn't feel like they were a handful at all. But I did get bucked around a few times. I guess I will keep the MX's and use the Nordicas for the hard stuff and eventually upgrade to a newer race ski. Anyone have a Stockli Laser GS for sale? I think I'll sell the Rally's. I'll sell them for $400 if anyone is interested? They are in great shape. And you're right I should demo a lot more. Thanks a ton for the thoughtful responses and advice!!

 

My quiver:

DPS Lotus 138(my touring ski)

Rossignol Pro RC 112  198

Blizzard Bodacious 196

Blizzard Cochise 193

Kastle BMX 108 195(don't really like this ski)

Kastle MX88 188

Head Rally 177

Nordica Dobermann GS 181

 

 

My goal is to ski like this:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W0_3ACJho

post #10 of 12

OK, with the update on your weight and height, I would say the Rally at 177 should work for you.  I demoed a pair last winter at Killington on much firmer condition than you see in Utah and loved them.  Don't really see the need for something narrower considering where you are unless you are going to get back into racing.

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Also demoed the 177 Rally at Killington last season. Very fun ski in all conditions. At the time, I was in the 210-215 lb. range, and I did feel like the Rally was a touch soft, but I think that contributed to it's playful all mountain feel, without giving up much on hard snow. I also spent a day on the Magnum with the 72mm waist. Different feel. Stiffer, less playful, more of a hard snow race carver that encouraged you to go faster from turn to turn. Also demoed some of the Stockli Lasers, which had the same race carver feel, but weren't as versatile in variable conditions as the Magnum. If you're looking strictly for a hard snow carver, try the Stockli's, if you're looking for that stiffer race carver feel with a little more all mountain versatility, the Magnum would be one to try.

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Originally Posted by cnski1 View Post
 

I am 44 y/o, 6'2" and weigh 235 lbs. Been skiing my whole life in Little Cottonwood Canyon. Used to race but that was 20+ years ago. I'm a WC ski racing fan. That's the sport I watch. I have a deep appreciation for a carved, elegant and powerful turn. Living in a powder mecca people tend to ski their fat skis in all conditions. I was guilty of that too. And we get our fair share of hard snow. Although not compared to the East I'm sure. Then I got my hands on some MX88 188's largely based on reviews here on this forum. Great ski. Love it, but found it lacked edge grip on the real hard stuff. I'm sure improved technique would help. But I thought I would expand my quiver and bought the Rally's thinking it would really be my hard snow ski and give me that confidence I lacked on the MX's. It is also a great ski. No complaints about the Rally other than on the real hard stuff. So today I got on a pair of 67mm Nordica Dobermann 181 GS Pro's circa 2010 that I just bought with bindings for $80!!!! Ya that's right!! WOW!!! Now I know what edge grip is all about. I was initially apprehensive about being on a race ski but I had a blast and didn't feel like they were a handful at all. But I did get bucked around a few times. I guess I will keep the MX's and use the Nordicas for the hard stuff and eventually upgrade to a newer race ski. Anyone have a Stockli Laser GS for sale? I think I'll sell the Rally's. I'll sell them for $400 if anyone is interested? They are in great shape. And you're right I should demo a lot more. Thanks a ton for the thoughtful responses and advice!!

 

My quiver:

DPS Lotus 138(my touring ski)

Rossignol Pro RC 112  198

Blizzard Bodacious 196

Blizzard Cochise 193

Kastle BMX 108 195(don't really like this ski)

Kastle MX88 188

Head Rally 177

Nordica Dobermann GS 181

 

 

My goal is to ski like this:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W0_3ACJho

What a difference a little info makes. Good adjustment on the fly. Meanwhile, you sorta like wide skis, huh?

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