Originally Posted by ndabunka
Which Nordica, the Dobermann SL WC (What's an SLR??)? If so, I am seeing the same thing on those. Nothing in the 160-165cm length but a few in the shorter lengths have sold but I will add them to my search options.
What is your opinion on either a 2011 or 2012 Atomic D2 SL (12 DIM Neox bindings)...dirt cheap? I've been messaging the seller and these were "donations" from a ski swap. Without having much background on these I won't know the level of maintenance or risk of delamination (like my Fishcers) that they may be subject to but may be "good enough" for me (for now). It's almost something like this or buying a new pair for $450..so far. I am not planning on bidding but I could (likely) go back to him after the auction ends (in 30 minutes) to see if he wants to offer me a BIN arou $250?
Do I spend $600 on new or $350 (including shipping) for these 2011/12's? Here's the eBay link..
In the nordics, look at the SL WC. IIRC the SLR is the non-FIS ski with a different plate and a system binding. You will not find it or the Blizzard in a 160. They only come in the 156 and 165 as i recall. Unlike most other brands they haven't made a "twiner" 158 Womens FIS (or at least if they do I haven't seen it in the US).
The Atomic you linked to is the non-FIS. Easy to tell the difference, theFIS ski has the plastic "nose-picker" tip and the Non -fis has the metal tip piece. Take a look, and I appreciate JPL has a viewpoint, but I stick with my original recommendation for the FIS ski. Despite all the hype and advertising, they are not usually built the same and don't stand up as well to regular gate use. I see plenty of people coming into our program following advice like that for non-FIS skis and then realizing that after a short period they are looking at spending more money to get the real deal ski.
Originally Posted by Tog
Pretty questionable questioning....:-)
The dude weighs 215lbs. If you can't bend a 165 at that then you've got no edge angle and a shorter one will just pivot faster. Upshot- horribly slow. But the Op has already proven he can get some angles.
These aren't the skis Hirscher is on. They also make good all mt skis in the south!! east so its cost effective. One stop shopping.
Originally Posted by JPL
Sounds like the OP is more skilled than I read into his post and SS knows him, things I was not aware of. My reasoning is based on this.
Generally non FIS skis have a tighter radius
Flex alone is not the only factor , flex pattern is also a big deal
The SC PRO and the WC SC are not the same
To fully utilize the WC SL'S you need to be on the right line and making some pretty quick moves, The WC SC's are more tolerant of varied lines, better suited for a guy moving up from the silver division.
I've been with Fischer since '89 and a ski instructor and coach for 30 years[28 as a coach]. The other brands I guess I can't really say what their non fis skis are like but I'm pretty confident about Fischer equipment.
I am not convinced that the tighter radius is an advantage. Most of the non-FIS skis are in the 11-11.5 range while the FIS are usually 13-13.5. Pesonally I find the 13 works better. YMMV
We are in full agreement on the importance of flex though , IMHO much more critical than radius as I have described several times here, particularly wrt the 188/30 skis. Same on boots, the trend has been to get them a bit softer than a few years ago and (in my case) it certainly has helped
I make no claim to match your long experience as a coach, my coaching is focused purely on Masters racers so have developed a decent awareness of what works in that demographic. I also have no brand loyalties or support from a particular manufacturer, I fund all my own skis so can give a pretty objective viewpoint of what I find without risk of impacting my deals. I have also been fortunate enough in the last few years to try quite a range of different race skis (as my for sale record shows :( ) so base my views on that, and also what I know of the person seeking advice, to better focus recommendations. Interestingly enough, although i was on Fischer GS for a long time, i have never been a big fan of the Fischer slaloms, i have owned a few pairs but they always felt just a bit "blaah" for me personally. I do have a pair of 2014s in a 157 I need to test and interestingly enough i see they appear to have changed the tip shape a bit on it which, from watching one of my buddies on it, seems to have given it more "life" at the start of the turn. This is of course simply my view and there are a lot of people out there who like the feel of it. As I said earlier, at that level of ski, it tends to be a much smaller degree of differences and, unless you ski a number of them, you probably would not notice.
Incidentally, on the subject of flex, it is a myth that all the WC skis are super stiff. It may apply to Bode or Marcel (although given his experimentation with the Marker plate, we might find that he is on a softer set-up than Bode). However I have a couple of pairs of Dynastar slant nose SL that are genuine WC stock and were raced on the circuit. When i got them I had the same worries that they would be too much for an old guy like me. In fact nothing could have been further from the truth, they were waay more user -friendly than you would have believed as well as being top-class performance in the gates. Again flex/flex pattern and good construction. I got some of my best slalom results on these, although the edges are starting to get pretty thin now and i have retired them from race use.