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post #31 of 54
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lol if your still "filing" tickets you need to get with 2014 and get some point of sale software. 

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post #32 of 54

Shops are legally required to keep all binding work on file (yes, a paper copy) for seven years. 

 

Toe Height Adjustment- All Marker Royalty bindings- Jester, Griffon, Squire, Lord, Baron, Duke along with Tour F10 and 12.  Tyrolia Attack 12, 13 and 16, Adrenalin and Ambition bindings plus all of the relabelled versions for Fischer, Elan, 4frnt, Liberty, etc. Salomon STH 13 and 16, Warden and all the Guardian bindings and the corresponding Atomic iterations. All 4 models of KneeBinding. Fritschi freeride and Eagle.  All have a toe height adjustment.

 

That's about 70% of the high performance non-system bindings currently being sold.

 

Sometimes, when I find myself standing in a hole, I put the shovel down and stop digging.

post #33 of 54
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

Shops are legally required to keep all binding work on file (yes, a paper copy) for seven years. 

Toe Height Adjustment- All Marker Royalty bindings- Jester, Griffon, Squire, Lord, Baron, Duke along with Tour F10 and 12.  Tyrolia Attack 12, 13 and 16, Adrenalin and Ambition bindings plus all of the relabelled versions for Fischer, Elan, 4frnt, Liberty, etc. Salomon STH 13 and 16, Warden and all the Guardian bindings and the corresponding Atomic iterations. All 4 models of KneeBinding. Fritschi freeride and Eagle.  All have a toe height adjustment.

That's about 70% of the high performance non-system bindings currently being sold.

Sometimes, when I find myself standing in a hole, I put the shovel down and stop digging.

Says who ? Who audits you guys what's the penalty ?

That seems pretty insane
post #34 of 54
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

Shops are legally required to keep all binding work on file (yes, a paper copy) for seven years. 

Toe Height Adjustment- All Marker Royalty bindings- Jester, Griffon, Squire, Lord, Baron, Duke along with Tour F10 and 12.  Tyrolia Attack 12, 13 and 16, Adrenalin and Ambition bindings plus all of the relabelled versions for Fischer, Elan, 4frnt, Liberty, etc. Salomon STH 13 and 16, Warden and all the Guardian bindings and the corresponding Atomic iterations. All 4 models of KneeBinding. Fritschi freeride and Eagle.  All have a toe height adjustment.

That's about 70% of the high performance non-system bindings currently being sold.

Sometimes, when I find myself standing in a hole, I put the shovel down and stop digging.

Says who ? Who audits you guys what's the penalty ?

That seems pretty insane

By the lawyers that represent the binding companies that will defend the shop if they are sued. 

post #35 of 54
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Originally Posted by yuik View Post


Says who ? Who audits you guys what's the penalty ?

That seems pretty insane

 

 

What is it about litigation that we're not understanding here? 


Edited by markojp - 12/1/14 at 6:13am
post #36 of 54
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Originally Posted by yuik View Post

Says who ? Who audits you guys what's the penalty ?

That seems pretty insane

I totally agree there yuik . . .

I am still learning a bunch about bindings / settings / toe adjustments from all the info (including some of the so-called disinformation) here on the forums -
it's all good - really . . . even if only for some of us non-experts to see what the discussion / issues are . . .
so thanks to all.

Now back to the lawyers "in love" problems over DIN adjustments and any potential civil penalties for your local ski shop entrepreneurs . . .

I'd think we could just bring them up to the top of Emigrant Run at Squaw in the nearly 9000 ft. elevation air to cross-exam them as they fall down the mountain, n'est ce pas ? lol

- or do we now have to sign some paperwork at our ski shop to absolve the entrepreneurs from some purported legal responsibility for my inability as a skier ?? awe sheeet !
post #37 of 54
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

If this is the Skier Classification chart in your shop - you need a new updated one

post #38 of 54
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 

If this is the Skier Classification chart in your shop - you need a new updated one
No. Just pulled it off the internet as an example.
post #39 of 54
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Originally Posted by yuik View Post
 

 

 

lol if your still "filing" tickets you need to get with 2014 and get some point of sale software. 

 

You still need to attach some sort of instructions to the ski to let the ski tech know what work/tuning is to be done on the ski and it needs to be signed by the customer. Afterwards, legal liability requirements would favour "filing" over throwing out the paper work.

 

And good luck with your software when the system crashes. Printed documents still have value.

post #40 of 54
All the problems mentioned not only can be solved with tech but have been solved already. It is not true that legal favors paper. It favors electronic and esignatures all stored and backed up on the cloud. Otherwise we'd still be collecting carbon copy receipts for credit card transactions instead of scrawling on a touch pad. Its just a matter of if you think investment in the tech pays off in streamlining the beuracracy and paperwork savings. So I think the comment is valid that you cant complain about the beuracracy problem, cause it has a solution but perhaps with an upfront investment cost that also requires change
post #41 of 54
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

All the problems mentioned not only can be solved with tech but have been solved already. It is not true that legal favors paper. It favors electronic and esignatures all stored and backed up on the cloud. Otherwise we'd still be collecting carbon copy receipts for credit card transactions instead of scrawling on a touch pad. Its just a matter of if you think investment in the tech pays off in streamlining the beuracracy and paperwork savings. So I think the comment is valid that you cant complain about the beuracracy problem, cause it has a solution but perhaps with an upfront investment cost that also requires change

 

Thread drift warning!!!

I guess you've never done contract work for the public agencies.

I used to describe my job as "cutting down trees and make them into neat big piles of paper so the agencies can give us money".


Edited by KingGrump - 12/7/14 at 12:37pm
post #42 of 54
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

You still need to attach some sort of instructions to the ski to let the ski tech know what work/tuning is to be done on the ski and it needs to be signed by the customer. Afterwards, legal liability requirements would favour "filing" over throwing out the paper work.

And good luck with your software when the system crashes. Printed documents still have value.

Printed documents have zero value in. 2014 .

Host your software in the cloud or run it locally and backup to the cloud . Or backup to a different server. It's not rocket science many businesses do it .
post #43 of 54
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Printed documents have zero value in. 2014 .
 

 

With all due respect, that's not true.

post #44 of 54
I've had so many tech issues lately I can see the value of paper... Most recently (Black Friday of all days) I tried to apply a firmware patch and... We lost power. It trashed the router. Naturally it was out of warranty being all of 18 months old. So tech support was sort of helpless (the next one was not from that company, believe me). Was I going to go to Best Buy that day? Uh... No. So we were "down" until the "overnight" (which took until Monday) got here. Suddenly, too much stuff was in the "cloud". Sort of amazing. Half the reason I had so much stuff in the cloud was two weeks before that my tablet died and I'd moved things to the cloud because of all the stuff I lost on that go round. So.. Paper is sometimes just easier. Unless the house burns down.. (Given the last month, better not go to paper...)
post #45 of 54
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I've had so many tech issues lately I can see the value of paper... Most recently (Black Friday of all days) I tried to apply a firmware patch and... We lost power. It trashed the router. Naturally it was out of warranty being all of 18 months old. So tech support was sort of helpless (the next one was not from that company, believe me). Was I going to go to Best Buy that day? Uh... No. So we were "down" until the "overnight" (which took until Monday) got here. Suddenly, too much stuff was in the "cloud". Sort of amazing. Half the reason I had so much stuff in the cloud was two weeks before that my tablet died and I'd moved things to the cloud because of all the stuff I lost on that go round. So.. Paper is sometimes just easier. Unless the house burns down.. (Given the last month, better not go to paper...)
I don't think too much stuff can be in the cloud. If you have redundancy locally 2 routers 2 terminals to interface you should be set minus a power outage.

The power of salesforce amazon azure or googles cloud is the fact that they are always up .
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With all due respect, that's not true.

True zero value was a little harsh . I think paper has minimal value in 2014. Hell with apple pay and google wallet cash will become obsolete too
post #46 of 54
We've got the power outage covered not only at the work stations, but at the DSL. Of course, that was from a learning experience, too.. The router, naturally, was not hooked to that when I applied the firmware patch.
post #47 of 54

I think it's less about the hypothetical that paperless ski shop is possible in concept and technology; but more that it's already reality and you can find many shops already doing paperless rental and POS, and even for tuning work, you put in all your info electronically, the just gets a printout "copy" taped on, or a barcode; but the techs use screens to look it up in the back of the shop. There is software and services available to set you up from wintersteiger or from independent software companies. They have the capability storing anything legal related using electronic signatures with a signature pad or using a click this box to "agree".  The binding setup machines are digital and link to the same system.. It's not really a question of if it can or can't be done. It's already in use, and the question is whether it works to solve a problem and is worth it for the price.


Edited by raytseng - 12/7/14 at 4:57pm
post #48 of 54
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Originally Posted by yuik View Post


True zero value was a little harsh . I think paper has minimal value in 2014. Hell with apple pay and google wallet cash will become obsolete too

 

I'm with ya..but I know I keep having go to different places to sign paper for new trading accounts, bank accounts, contracts, performance evaluations, real estate transactions..I'd really prefer if I didn't have to go to these places!  People I don't think understand the cost of having to get to places during the day.  Time is money.  One day we'll be there..but if large banks and real estate corps can't get their act together on this..I'm waiting patiently with great hope though!  :D

post #49 of 54
I sold a house in Pennsylvania for my mother in Colorado while I was living in Montana. All digitally. I didn't even SCAN anything. Except for the Power of Attorney document, which was drawn up in the early 1990's and they wanted the original to be mailed to a court house to be scanned into their system.
post #50 of 54
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Originally Posted by Rootkiller View Post
 

My Volkl Kendo has a Marker Griffon 13.  My last tune was done at the Cole Sport shop in Park City last November (2013).  I did not remember to ask about checking and testing the bindings at the time and I am not even sure whether the average Groupon "tune and wax" at that shop would even include such a service.  Still wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a fast and conscientious shop in SLC, PC, BCC, LCC... ?

Probably not....too much arguing gong on to actually address a real question.....maybe start a new thread?  :cool

 

However one of the times I was at Snowbird I was convinced from some recent ski days elsewhere, that I had a boot cuff that had somehow gotten out of whack.  I walked into a ski shop at the Cliff lodge waited my turn for a short while and talked with a boot guy there, after listening to my delimma he put me in my boots and checked cuff alignment.  No adjustment necessary no charge but what a confidence boost and great customer service. 

 

I'd suggest, absent some real suggestions of places,  wherever your first stop is to just walk in one of the shops and ask. 

post #51 of 54
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I sold a house in Pennsylvania for my mother in Colorado while I was living in Montana. All digitally. I didn't even SCAN anything. Except for the Power of Attorney document, which was drawn up in the early 1990's and they wanted the original to be mailed to a court house to be scanned into their system.


We do everything by electronic signature or scanned originals now, all very large dollar real estate transactions.

 

However, yuik, to scoff at the idea that a shop is required to keep paper records is just rude at best.  If the manufacturers and/or their insurers insist you keep paper....well you keep paper.  Thats not that hard to fathom......

post #52 of 54

Just a quick comment, I'm not against setting your own equipment, however, if you have to ask, don't! it's not worth the risk.

 

I'm all for buying online to save money as I know what I need and want and how to deal with it when I get it.  However, to be fair to the shops that charge $40-50 dollars for a binding setup for skis that they did not sell for the following reasons.

 

  • They made their money selling you skis and equipment and want to ensure that you come away with a good experience so part of the cost includes that service of setup which they usually include for free.  Since they didn't sell you equipment they only make money on the service they sell.
  • They tools and space cost money to buy and up keep.
  • Finally, they have to have insurance and check that work the other shop performed is acceptable., more money

 

2 weeks is a long time to unless you are in busy season and the customers that give them the highest profits (ie buy equipment) are their primary concern at that time.

 

Local shops cost more because they include service, online shops cost less because they provide less services.  Pick your poison.

 

Have fun with the new skis.

post #53 of 54

If shops file all the work slips on line, pretty soon the North Koreans will know all our DIN settings. Think of the havoc that would lead to.

post #54 of 54

I am such an idiot...

 

I just got back from my first visit to Vail and I (and my two sons and their good friend) had an absolute blast (the mountain was mostly open with reasonable early season snow coverage).  I was also so eager to get back on the mountain (my first this season) that I completely ignored all safety concerns by skiing on the set of Kendo's that destroyed my left knee last season (by not releasing when I crashed at night in Brighton... it's so much easier to blame the skis sometime).  I had a couple of tough crashes in Vail this time as well and fortunately I did not re-injure either of my delicate knees (I had injured my right knee in Park City... again doing some night skiing, back in 2011).  I was just plain lucky this time around.  So... this morning I will be looking around the Salt Lake area for a shop to perform a good wax job and service for my Volkl's and I will ask them to check the bindings as well.  Thanks... hope to bump into some of you this season on the slopes!  Happy Holidays!

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