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Shops are legally required to keep all binding work on file (yes, a paper copy) for seven years.
Toe Height Adjustment- All Marker Royalty bindings- Jester, Griffon, Squire, Lord, Baron, Duke along with Tour F10 and 12. Tyrolia Attack 12, 13 and 16, Adrenalin and Ambition bindings plus all of the relabelled versions for Fischer, Elan, 4frnt, Liberty, etc. Salomon STH 13 and 16, Warden and all the Guardian bindings and the corresponding Atomic iterations. All 4 models of KneeBinding. Fritschi freeride and Eagle. All have a toe height adjustment.
That's about 70% of the high performance non-system bindings currently being sold.
Sometimes, when I find myself standing in a hole, I put the shovel down and stop digging.
By the lawyers that represent the binding companies that will defend the shop if they are sued.
You still need to attach some sort of instructions to the ski to let the ski tech know what work/tuning is to be done on the ski and it needs to be signed by the customer. Afterwards, legal liability requirements would favour "filing" over throwing out the paper work.
And good luck with your software when the system crashes. Printed documents still have value.
Thread drift warning!!!
I guess you've never done contract work for the public agencies.
I used to describe my job as "cutting down trees and make them into neat big piles of paper so the agencies can give us money".
I think it's less about the hypothetical that paperless ski shop is possible in concept and technology; but more that it's already reality and you can find many shops already doing paperless rental and POS, and even for tuning work, you put in all your info electronically, the just gets a printout "copy" taped on, or a barcode; but the techs use screens to look it up in the back of the shop. There is software and services available to set you up from wintersteiger or from independent software companies. They have the capability storing anything legal related using electronic signatures with a signature pad or using a click this box to "agree". The binding setup machines are digital and link to the same system.. It's not really a question of if it can or can't be done. It's already in use, and the question is whether it works to solve a problem and is worth it for the price.
I'm with ya..but I know I keep having go to different places to sign paper for new trading accounts, bank accounts, contracts, performance evaluations, real estate transactions..I'd really prefer if I didn't have to go to these places! People I don't think understand the cost of having to get to places during the day. Time is money. One day we'll be there..but if large banks and real estate corps can't get their act together on this..I'm waiting patiently with great hope though!
My Volkl Kendo has a Marker Griffon 13. My last tune was done at the Cole Sport shop in Park City last November (2013). I did not remember to ask about checking and testing the bindings at the time and I am not even sure whether the average Groupon "tune and wax" at that shop would even include such a service. Still wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a fast and conscientious shop in SLC, PC, BCC, LCC... ?
Probably not....too much arguing gong on to actually address a real question.....maybe start a new thread?
However one of the times I was at Snowbird I was convinced from some recent ski days elsewhere, that I had a boot cuff that had somehow gotten out of whack. I walked into a ski shop at the Cliff lodge waited my turn for a short while and talked with a boot guy there, after listening to my delimma he put me in my boots and checked cuff alignment. No adjustment necessary no charge but what a confidence boost and great customer service.
I'd suggest, absent some real suggestions of places, wherever your first stop is to just walk in one of the shops and ask.
We do everything by electronic signature or scanned originals now, all very large dollar real estate transactions.
However, yuik, to scoff at the idea that a shop is required to keep paper records is just rude at best. If the manufacturers and/or their insurers insist you keep paper....well you keep paper. Thats not that hard to fathom......
Just a quick comment, I'm not against setting your own equipment, however, if you have to ask, don't! it's not worth the risk.
I'm all for buying online to save money as I know what I need and want and how to deal with it when I get it. However, to be fair to the shops that charge $40-50 dollars for a binding setup for skis that they did not sell for the following reasons.
2 weeks is a long time to unless you are in busy season and the customers that give them the highest profits (ie buy equipment) are their primary concern at that time.
Local shops cost more because they include service, online shops cost less because they provide less services. Pick your poison.
Have fun with the new skis.
I am such an idiot...
I just got back from my first visit to Vail and I (and my two sons and their good friend) had an absolute blast (the mountain was mostly open with reasonable early season snow coverage). I was also so eager to get back on the mountain (my first this season) that I completely ignored all safety concerns by skiing on the set of Kendo's that destroyed my left knee last season (by not releasing when I crashed at night in Brighton... it's so much easier to blame the skis sometime). I had a couple of tough crashes in Vail this time as well and fortunately I did not re-injure either of my delicate knees (I had injured my right knee in Park City... again doing some night skiing, back in 2011). I was just plain lucky this time around. So... this morning I will be looking around the Salt Lake area for a shop to perform a good wax job and service for my Volkl's and I will ask them to check the bindings as well. Thanks... hope to bump into some of you this season on the slopes! Happy Holidays!