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I will say i was disappointed this year when i was getting back into skiing and saw what had become of k2. I didn't know all the details until i read this thread,but i didn't find a ski i really wanted from k2. When i was growing up i was quite loyal to k2. I loved phil and steve mahre and the us heritage of the ski. Here is a pic of my k2 skis of the late eighties. I should prob throw them away but cant bring myself to do it.

post #273 of 282

do not throw them away.  some one will want those as collectors and the bindings too.  if you need to get rid of them, donate to a thrift store for one of us retro guys to find.

post #274 of 282

And J.T. Holmes, who was with K2 for years, switched over to Head. 

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do not throw them away.  some one will want those as collectors and the bindings too.  if you need to get rid of them, donate to a thrift store for one of us retro guys to find.


I have not thrown them away after all these years..probably not going to happend anytime soon lol

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I will say i was disappointed this year when i was getting back into skiing and saw what had become of k2. I didn't know all the details until i read this thread,but i didn't find a ski i really wanted from k2. When i was growing up i was quite loyal to k2. I loved phil and steve mahre and the us heritage of the ski. Here is a pic of my k2 skis of the late eighties. I should prob throw them away but cant bring myself to do it.

 

yea it was hard for me to trash my old white and gray comp K2's  last year. I had a ton of memories on them too. I remember skiing the Austrian alps on family and group vaca and watching the shocking news of the space shuttle disaster (1986) on the news in our hotel room in german and not understanding a word but words weren't necessary.

 

I was 22 (not really a kid)  and also remember my father wanted to kill me because on the day of our return trip I lost my passport. Spent all morning in the Austrian police dept and then the American Embassy to make me a new one so we could catch our flight. The embassy was closed (it was Saturday) and some ambassador or whom ever had to come down and open up to cut me the new passport. We rushed to the airport and made the flight :)  I can only imagine the process that would have to take place nowadays for such a similar problem lol. 

 

What can I say I was just too busy skiing. I skied 9 days in a row while all the others spent half those days sight seeing and such. The alps are beautiful especially with the valleys so low. We actually went two years in a row and repeated the trip. A little trips wjile there to Germany, Italy, and swiss. But that was also when flying over seas didn't cost you your right arm lol. Whenever I saw my old K2's I always thought of all those great memories and the sad one about the shuttle. it was hard to trash them.

post #277 of 282

I've been skiing the shit out of my Rictor 90XTi's lately and it made me think of this thread. They've been getting lots of respect and compliments on the mountain.  I have other skis I could be on but keep finding myself on the K2s.  They just do variable conditions really well.  I know I can put them on and the day is going to be good whatever the conditions are.  K2 is doing something right in my opinion but maybe I am their target skier.

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Re: boycotting products made in China...

1)Chinese workers are demanding better pay & working conditions, and living a quality of life they never had under Mao or any communist govt. since.  Because of this, a lot of mfgr'ing is leaving China for other nations, and in some cases returning to the U.S.
And 2) quality is improving with most things made in China.  They've gone through the same QC steps Japan took and then Taiwan.  Remember when "Made in Taiwan" meant crap?  I remember when "Made in Japan" meant crap.  Yeah, I'm THAT old.  First little portable transistor radio old.  As a sax owner/player, I've followed the development of saxes made in China & Taiwan.  They started out crap, and some still are (the cheaper ones, of course).  But some, like Bauhaus (German name - ironic, eh?  But good marketing), are as good as some of the best saxes made anywhere, and are being used by pros as either their back up horn or as their main axe.

On K2 in general:

I skied K2's in the 80's and loved 'em.  They were SUCH a step up from anything I had ever skied before.  Disappeared in the divorce, or I'd probably still be using them as a rock/slop ski.  When K2 was made here on Vashon Island, they had a cult following in the Pacific NW, helped by the Mahre brothers, Phil & Steve.  Vashon is a folksy/country kind of island, a bit removed from the hustle-bustle of Seattle and Puget Sound "proper".  Think Hewlett & Packard, who started out in a garage.  I doubt K2 production will ever return to Vashon (logistics for one thing - everything has to come & go by ferry), and maybe never to the Pac. NW, but I am confident in their products old & new, and will certainly give them consideration when ski shopping.

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Re: boycotting products made in China...

1)Chinese workers are demanding better pay & working conditions, and living a quality of life they never had under Mao or any communist govt. since.  Because of this, a lot of mfgr'ing is leaving China for other nations, and in some cases returning to the U.S.
And 2) quality is improving with most things made in China.  They've gone through the same QC steps Japan took and then Taiwan.  Remember when "Made in Taiwan" meant crap?  I remember when "Made in Japan" meant crap.  Yeah, I'm THAT old.  First little portable transistor radio old.  As a sax owner/player, I've followed the development of saxes made in China & Taiwan.  They started out crap, and some still are (the cheaper ones, of course).  But some, like Bauhaus (German name - ironic, eh?  But good marketing), are as good as some of the best saxes made anywhere, and are being used by pros as either their back up horn or as their main axe.

On K2 in general:

I skied K2's in the 80's ........

But where something is made doesn't "have" to be bad or good and can be both. The only thing it boils down to is the quality control the manufacturer wants to or cares to establish. They will make as superior quality items as they wish (within reason) whever they wish so long as they oversee the process and demand standards. When a product is made like crap its not necessarily due to who made it or where but mostly due to standards of which the manufacturer demands.  Even if it requires employee training and education to achieve the goals it can and still be done and often enough is done. Its also about what materials they (the manufacturer) wants to use. If the manufacturer cares enough to put out top quality product they still can do it basically from anywhere. if they don't put out a good product its because they themselves cheapened up their own name.

post #280 of 282

The quality of the development and the production of the product greatly depends on the money spent by the corporate owners.  K2 (and Volkl, Marker) were owned for several years by Jarden which arose from the Sunbeam bankruptcy. 

http://www.jarden.com/brands

 

Recently Newell Rubbermaid had announced a buy out of Jarden and all their brands in December, 2015.  We'll see how much Newell invests in their ski brands.

http://ir.newellrubbermaid.com/investor-relations/press-releases/press-release-details/2015/Newell-Rubbermaid-and-Jarden-Corporation-Announce-Consumer-Goods-Combination-with-16-Billion-Revenue/default.aspx

 

In any case, demo K2 skis.  If they put a bigger smile on your face than any other skis you try, buy them.

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But where something is made doesn't "have" to be bad or good and can be both. The only thing it boils down to is the quality control the manufacturer wants to or cares to establish. They will make as superior quality items as they wish (within reason) wherever they wish so long as they oversee the process and demand standards. When a product is made like crap its not necessarily due to who made it or where but mostly due to standards of which the manufacturer demands.  Even if it requires employee training and education to achieve the goals it can and still be done and often enough is done. Its also about what materials they (the manufacturer) wants to use. If the manufacturer cares enough to put out top quality product they still can do it basically from anywhere. if they don't put out a good product its because they themselves cheapened up their own name.

Yep.  And some of the factors that drive mfgrs to cheapen their own name are: the price of land, labor, taxes, materials, transportation, and meeting environmental regs.

The Chinese face MAJOR challenges now, including a realization that they can no longer treat the environment with studied indifference.

Just one of their challenges:  http://abcnews.go.com/International/thousands-cars-stuck-beijing-traffic-jam-50-lane/story?id=34350370
(and when you look at that photo, remember most of those drivers are driving for the first time, and have little experience - it's more of a "free for all", than a freeway)

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But in light of the recent posts.....k2 is not crap. They may not be a favorite for some but certainly not crap at all. And not being a favorite is not a quality issue at all but more a type and style issue. The materials . workmanship and , overall quality is certainly of good standard. K2 skis do perform well and hold up according to just about any reviews. At least as of last year when we participated in this thread. I do not know anything about this years line up. But even that again may not be a quality issue but simply a subjective one by many skiers. Certainly the masses of skiers out there at any level getting but only a few or more ski days per season (which is pretty dominant) will enjoy their skiing on a pair of K2's and have them for years. Unless of course anything about them did actually cheapen up and take some sort of step towards crap since last year.

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