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Kastle mx88 vs Line prophet 90 and length question

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Need some advice. I thought I had decided on the P90 but am now leaning heavily towards the mx88.
Me-
38 years old. 5' 8, 165 lbs. pretty athletic(crossfit and running)
Grew up at Jay Peak, spent 5 years in Europe, 2 years at Stowe, back at Jay again.
Was always quite aggressive, usually faster guy in the group. Solid technique. Tele'd for 3 years back in when it was cool( I know, ha ha). HOWEVER, now I'm older and don't ski as much, skiing more with my kids as they grow up.
Actually don't like the woods that much unless there is a lot of new snow. Enjoy arcing big fast turns and quick ones on the very edge of the trail.
Past skis- stockli asteroid186, fisher big stick 84 186, volkl gotamas 183, DPS wailer105 (too big) and most recently, bridges 179(really liked) had 176 mantras last year but didn't like them, too planky.

I'm looking to ski mostly groomers and the glades if they are aren't frozen moguls in there. My favorite is new snow on ungroomed groomers(almost like above treeline) or just really buff groomers. Would a 178 mx88 be a good length or 168? How are they at slower speeds? Shorter turns? Can they venture in the woods?
Would a 179 p90 be more user friendly/versatile?
I know there are other skis in this category but I'm really interested in any advice on these two. Thanks!
post #2 of 14
Thread Starter 
A 170 volkl kendo also gets my attention...
post #3 of 14

No real experience here, but lots of reading about both of these skis.  

My take (and take it with a boulder of salt AND it will be superceded by others) is that the MX88 is a "stronger" ski and the P90 a slightly "easier" ski.  I get the sense the MX88 benefits from someone actively directing the ski, whereas the P90 may be a bit more forgiving.  

 

Both good hard-snow, groomer skis but certainly wide enough for whatever new snow you will find in NE.

post #4 of 14

I've skied both big-brothers (MX98 and Prophet 100) back to back. The MX line is a much more serious ski. Skis much longer, faster and requires more work. If you stay on top of it it rewards you. If you get lazy the MX will make you pay. A great ski for ripping groomers and crud though. It requires some speed to really become alive.


For something more versatile and playful the Prophet I think is a better choice. Still handles groomers well but doesn't require you to be on-the-gas all the time. They ski a bit short with the twin tips. They're also lighter and have a shorter turn radius -- both good things in the trees.

post #5 of 14

Couple things.

 

1) You are at Jay, you are not a tree hound, and you prioritize groomer skiing at speed. Excellent starting place. Based on this, whether you go for a more generalist ski like the Prophet or something more groomer-oriented may depend on whether you are keeping one of those older, fatter, possibly more rockered skis in the quiver for those days when you have fresh snow and DO want to go into the glades or whatever. If it were me I would keep something like your Gotamas or Wailers for the best days and go for a real rock-and-roll ski for your other. The MX 88 would be good for that, but I would consider the MX 83 or any number of other 80-something skis, too, partly depending on what you want to do about ...

 

2) Length. You're kind of all over the map on lengths, there. I see you were skiing 186cm Stocklis and Big Sticks. Then you say you liked the 179cm Bridges (which are pretty-rockery and twins to boot, and therefore ski kinda short), then in passing you mention the Kendo in 170. (Why not the 177, given the other skis mentioned?) You are not a huge guy. I'd definitely think you'd be in the 170 - 180 range for a groomer ski. The MX 88 in 168 is slightly on the small side for you, given your stated history, age, and fitness.  The 178 would be great if you are all about GSing around. Maybe you are. But then you throw some mitigating stuff in there about lower speeds, venturing into the woods occasionally, short turns at edges of trails, blah blah. These things may put you into the "between sizes" category for that ski. Which is why I mentioned the MX 83 above. (It comes in a 173, which I would think would be a good length for someone your size. Now I will sit back and let other Bears stride in with their gruff "Nonsense. Put him on a real man's ski. It's 180 or bust. I pick my back teeth with 173s. Aargh.") 

post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
I should have clarified. Those are the skis I have owned and liked over the past 10-12 years. The longer ones were while I lived in southern Germany. I don't currently have any skis( gasp!) having sold the mantras.
I guess I've entered that weird stage where my skiing style isn't what used to be and it's hard to adjust my view of what I should be on. Basically, I don't charge as hard anymore despite still having the ability to if that makes sense.
To be more specific-
kastle mx88- 178 or 168 for my size? Can they handle junky snow and occasional trees? I'll rent pow skis for the days I need them, wife works at mtn and I get a good deal.
Line prophet. 90 in 179- heard they ski short like the volkl bridges. Can they hold a good edge? More "playfull" all around at slower speed?
Kendo- Demo'd some back in 2011 I think and really liked them. Can't remember if 177 or 170
I'm looking exclusively at used skis and 88-90 waist.

About the trees- I love em when there is fresh snow. Can't stand skied out glades though which happens wicked fast now. Guess I'm just over it after 34 years.
post #7 of 14

Kendo and MX88 are pretty similar in dimensions, length and feel.  Both are great skis.  Each would be a great choice for the fast groomer part of your day, and would work fine in the afternoon crud and some of the off piste stuff.  The shorter lengths would be better for noodling around at slower speeds and short turning down the soft edges of the piste.  Try both in the 168 / 170 and 177 / 178 lengths and see how they fare.  If you think you're in between sizes the MX83 in 173 would be a very good call.

 

The Prophet 90 is a stiffer twin tip; not bad on groomers at all, and more of a generalist, as mentioned above.  179 would be about right, and would roughly equate to the 173 length in the Kastle due to the twin tip (the turned up tail reduces running length).  Taking into account all your stated priorities it's hard to argue against this one either.

 

If your wife works at the hill and you get a good deal you're in the box seat to demo every single pair of skis available.  That would be my approach, but that's just me.

 

Best of luck.

post #8 of 14

I have the MX88 in 178 and I am 5-10 and 170 lbs 60 year old in good shape. they are an great ski that needs to be skied aggressively , the tail is a little hard to release in trees unless you are aggressive ,otherwise the most fun groomer and packed powder ski I have ever been on. I am sure you would love them. 

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

After tons of reading reviews on here, I'm looking heavily at the mx88 in a 168 now.  Every review states they ski long. I'm just worried about the 178 only wanting to mach 100 which is why I sold the mantras.

post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Brewski2 View Post
 

After tons of reading reviews on here, I'm looking heavily at the mx88 in a 168 now.  Every review states they ski long. I'm just worried about the 178 only wanting to mach 100 which is why I sold the mantras.


Not sure if i missed what year your Mantras were, but they have changed quite a bit.  Not as "planky" and not just wanting to go mach 100 anymore.  I have not skied these myself, but i used to own a pair of Kendo's (before early rise) in a 171 and they were too short for me at 5'10" and 180#.  I would lean toward the Kendo in a 177, just for the simple fact that the Kastle's are WAY more money then the others you have mentioned and the Kendos are a solid ski IMO.  See what you think about the new and improved Mantras also.  If you want to spend the dough, then go Kastles.  

post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Brewski2 View Post

Need some advice. I thought I had decided on the P90 but am now leaning heavily towards the mx88.
Me-
38 years old. 5' 8, 165 lbs. pretty athletic(crossfit and running)
Grew up at Jay Peak, spent 5 years in Europe, 2 years at Stowe, back at Jay again.
Was always quite aggressive, usually faster guy in the group. Solid technique. Tele'd for 3 years back in when it was cool( I know, ha ha). HOWEVER, now I'm older and don't ski as much, skiing more with my kids as they grow up.
Actually don't like the woods that much unless there is a lot of new snow. Enjoy arcing big fast turns and quick ones on the very edge of the trail.
Past skis- stockli asteroid186, fisher big stick 84 186, volkl gotamas 183, DPS wailer105 (too big) and most recently, bridges 179(really liked) had 176 mantras last year but didn't like them, too planky.

I'm looking to ski mostly groomers and the glades if they are aren't frozen moguls in there. My favorite is new snow on ungroomed groomers(almost like above treeline) or just really buff groomers. Would a 178 mx88 be a good length or 168? How are they at slower speeds? Shorter turns? Can they venture in the woods?
Would a 179 p90 be more user friendly/versatile?
I know there are other skis in this category but I'm really interested in any advice on these two. Thanks!

 

 

Hi,

 

The P90 is a very solid ski. It is a touch softer than the MX88, not really more forgiving, just softer, which gives the MX88 the edge in stability, especially if you want to size down.  For what you describe, you could go either way: You will get extra stability as noted in the MX88, a ridiculously large sweet spot for what it is, and a bit more control in tight spaces: the tip seems to engage more evenly somehow.  

 

MX88 is a very good ski at slower speeds, I ski drills on it and put around with my son.  Probably the most forgiving high performance ski I know of. I had a Supershape Titan last year in 177cm and it was much, much more ski. As was the Mantra I was skiing last year for a couple of days.  I can confidently ski steep, tight bumps on it.  Funky snow, no problem. I can say the same about the P90 as well.  The MX88 has such a wide performance envelope; it is tough to beat in that respect.  

 

Good luck in your search! 

post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by Brewski2 View Post
 

After tons of reading reviews on here, I'm looking heavily at the mx88 in a 168 now.  Every review states they ski long. I'm just worried about the 178 only wanting to mach 100 which is why I sold the mantras.

 

You can ski the MX88 slower than the Mantra.  The solid and slow 4/10ths of full speed on the MX88 is more like 6/10ths on the Mantra: it is stiffer, wants to accelerate.  The MX88 is a more fun ski to go slow on.  

 

The 168 is still plenty of ski.  And in tight trees, may be just the ticket. I find the 178cm to be perfect for how I ski, but I live in places where I like turning, but don't have to turn all that often.  

post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks all for the advice. Mantras were 2013. I actually checked out some kastles today at Jay Peak. Really nice looking skis! Only had fx and bmx series though. 168 is right at head height for me. 178 is a bit higher. Based on your info on slow speeds and your size being about the same, I'm going to go for the 178 mx88. That fx94 sure sounds/looks sweet but I can't find any used that are in my price range.
Side note- the new ski shop on state side at Jay Peak is SWEET! Ski brands- kastle, DPS, Icelantic, volkl, Rossi, line. Great outerwear too.
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by Brewski2 View Post

Thanks all for the advice. Mantras were 2013. I actually checked out some kastles today at Jay Peak. Really nice looking skis! Only had fx and bmx series though. 168 is right at head height for me. 178 is a bit higher. Based on your info on slow speeds and your size being about the same, I'm going to go for the 178 mx88. That fx94 sure sounds/looks sweet but I can't find any used that are in my price range.
Side note- the new ski shop on state side at Jay Peak is SWEET! Ski brands- kastle, DPS, Icelantic, volkl, Rossi, line. Great outerwear too.


would be nice to see a DPS live.  Only seen it on this forum and online. 

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