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Powder Ski Question: Icelantic Keeper or Gypsy?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Been reading and loving EpicSki for awhile, and I finally joined so I could ask this question (and start participating more generally):

 

I'm looking for a powder ski mostly for Tahoe-area skiing, love the look of the Icelantics, and everything I've read seems really positive. So, has anyone skied the both the Keeper and Gypsy and can compare them?

 

I've been skiing the Bonafide as quiver of one, and want to add something for more float on our "powder" days out here. I'm 5'9", 220lbs, and ski pretty agressively.  That said, I also want something at least reasonable maneuverable for tight spots. Almost all my skiing is resort, so even on the best days I'm usually skiing tracked out terrain by late morning.

 

I've never skied full rocker, so I'm a little wary of the Gypsy as things get more chopped up. I guess the Keeper just seems a little more versatile with traditional camber underfoot.  But am I just succumbing to outdated ideas.

 

Would appreciate any thoughts on the topic. Thanks!

post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by OrangePants View Post

 

I've never skied full rocker, so I'm a little wary of the Gypsy as things get more chopped up. I guess the Keeper just seems a little more versatile with traditional camber underfoot.  But am I just succumbing to outdated ideas.

 

I haven't skied the Keeper, but I can tell you that your concerns about the Gypsy are unfounded. They are plenty maneuverable in trees, and they actually do great in chop - I call them my tanks. I once ran over a foot-diameter ice ball that I thought was soft snow, and they just kept on trucking. They are crud busters, and hella fun in powder, where they love to run.

 

- report from Colorado

post #3 of 14

I am 6' 1" and 220lbs have the Gypsy's in my closet and waiting  for some snow to try.

They are beautiful skis "older blue ones"

got them mounted at +1 from boot center mark

wonderfully made to my untrained eyes

be nice to hear where other have them mounted at.

From what I have read they do pretty well on groomers too

post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by mikeo56 View Post
 

I am 6' 1" and 220lbs have the Gypsy's in my closet and waiting  for some snow to try.

They are beautiful skis "older blue ones"

got them mounted at +1 from boot center mark

wonderfully made to my untrained eyes

be nice to hear where other have them mounted at.

From what I have read they do pretty well on groomers too

 

I'm 5'5 and 190lbs, female, mounted at the recommended spot. Mine are the Walruses from the first season.

post #5 of 14

How do you like them Powder / groomed / trees

Easy to turn verses a camber ski like the Keeper?

Ect. Ect.

Thanks for your thoughts.

post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by mikeo56 View Post
 

How do you like them Powder / groomed / trees

Easy to turn verses a camber ski like the Keeper?

Ect. Ect.

Thanks for your thoughts.

 

You know, I didn't have them out this weekend because I foolishly left them at home. So I have to go by memories from last season. Also, I haven't had a traditionally cambered ski in a few years, so I'm not very helpful in that regard. My most solid comparison is between them and the Line Sick Day 110s, which are more my "everyday" ski and which I skied this past weekend. Also, I should mention mine are the 170s, so they're naturally easier in the trees than a longer ski would be. I thought about a 180 due to my weight, but people talked me out of it due to my height.

 

In powder, I love the Gypsies. Soooo fun. I had to adjust a bit, simply because I tend to ski defensively in powder and steeps, while the Gypsies definitely prefer to run a bit. Letting them run is a hoot.

 

In trees, I found they were only a problem as long as I had in my head "I'm on big fat skis. These big fat skis will be hard to turn." As soon as I forgot I was on big fat skis and just *skied* them, they were just as maneuverable as my SD 110s.

 

On groomed, they do fine (as opposed to actual scraped-off hard stuff, where they are not fun, any more than my SD 110s are).  But to be honest, my general rubric is, if there was fresh overnight, take the SD 110s. If there will be fresh throughout the day, take the Gypsies. That's mostly just to cut down on waffling when trying to decide that morning. If I were to change that rule, it might be to take the Gypsies in all situations where there is soft snow, because they do so well in the resulting afternoon crud.

post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

bounceswoosh, thanks so much for your thoughts.  It's good to hear from someone with experience on the ski.

 

What I've heard thus far basically confirms my initial thoughts: do I want essentially a wider version of my Bonafide that should float my better in new snow (the Keeper), or a more dedicated powder/soft/new snow ski that differentiates itself more from what I have already (the Gypsy).

 

And based on what I hear, it does sound like my concerns about the Gypsy are unfounded, and adding a different type of ski to the quiver makes more sense.  But I'm still thinking about it...

 

I've done some searching on the forums, and it seems that people have liked the Keeper in powder as well. Anyone skied it who can comment on the float?  Will I be sad if I forgo full rocker on really deep or really heavy days? If anyone can compare directly, will it be significantly more stable/damp than the Gypsy?  Playful skis have never been my thing. 

post #8 of 14

the keeper is def' more of a charger. Its pretty stiff and heavy.  The GYPSY is a more jib by, fun oriented ski.  


Edited by Finndog - 11/24/14 at 3:31pm
post #9 of 14
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the keeper is def' more of a charger. Its pretty stiff and heavy.  The keeper is a more jib by, fun oriented ski.  

Do you have a typo in there?
post #10 of 14
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Do you have a typo in there?


FIXED!  thanks:o

post #11 of 14

Do not know if you have seen this?

but take a look it might help.

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/220878-Icelantic-Gypsy-powder-ski

post #12 of 14
I demoed the Gypsy and Keeper back to back in about a foot of new snow. They both had adequate float and were fun to ski in their own way, but I ended up buying the Gypsy. The Keepper had a locked-down, stable feel that really coaxed me to ski faster and faster, but the Gypsy won out with its ability to easily vary turn shapes and slither between trees. The Gypsy was also very stable and didn't cause me any problems at speed, particularly in the 190 length. I take the Gypsy out any time we get more than 3-4" of new snoow on soft. They are fun to ski on a soft groomer back to the lift, but you do feel their girth on harder snow while trying to make quicker turns. After the powder gets tracked out in the pm, they still shine. I've got a couple seasons on the Gypsies and couldn't be happier.
post #13 of 14
Also, I'm not 100% sure what a "playful" ski is. I've skied some skis like the Rossignol S3 and Icelantic Nomad RKR that I really enjoyed in tight places, but I didn't feel like they held up like I wanted them to at speed. Conversely, the Gypsy is super fun in the tight places (as long as it is soft snow), but they still hold up at "reasonable" speeds. I assume this is the matching side cut/camber. I've also enjoyed skiing the 4FRNT Hoji and Devastator with the same side cut/camber thing going on. FWIW.
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Originally Posted by lloydd View Post

Also, I'm not 100% sure what a "playful" ski is. I've skied some skis like the Rossignol S3 and Icelantic Nomad RKR that I really enjoyed in tight places, but I didn't feel like they held up like I wanted them to at speed. Conversely, the Gypsy is super fun in the tight places (as long as it is soft snow), but they still hold up at "reasonable" speeds. I assume this is the matching side cut/camber. I've also enjoyed skiing the 4FRNT Hoji and Devastator with the same side cut/camber thing going on. FWIW.

 

 

I have also struggled to find a definition for "playful." Often, like with the Lines, it seems to mean light (among other things), but the Gypsies are not light. Actually I'm not sure the word playful is exactly right for the Gypsies - they *are*, but ... meh. Words are hard. Skis are fun.

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