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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Interesting piece in NYT today about impact of climate change and drought on ski industry in the Sierras, not news for those who live there, but brings up issues other places will be facing, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/sports/skiing/as-snow-fades-california-ski-resorts-face-a-brown-future.html?ref=sports

post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Interesting piece in NYT today about impact of climate change and drought on ski industry in the Sierras, not news for those who live there, but brings up issues other places will be facing, too: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/sports/skiing/as-snow-fades-california-ski-resorts-face-a-brown-future.html?ref=sports
Shouldn't this be in Politics and Hot Topics? That's where the other climate change discussions have been.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 

Perhaps, but the article is about the ski industry in California and issues involving making snow. So not really political, unless you still want to consider anything to do with worries about snowfall to be political rather than meteorological. 

post #4 of 16
I admire beyond's cool in answering the previous post, but, man, the assumption of that post almost felt insulting to me. Climate change is reality to anyone who has lived in California for the last few seasons. If you choose to ignore science, it's your choice, you can also believe in gremlins, unicorns, and superiority of rear entry boots. So, do me a favor, don't call science politics, politics is something we can argue about, science deals with facts, and you ignore facts at your own peril. I am lucky that my day job is not affected by lack of snow, only my favorite recreation. I'm sure that everyone who works in the ski industry here has a very short fuse for the climate change deniers. The NYyTimes article was very good and I was just about to post it in the Skiing forum. Beyond just beat me to it.
post #5 of 16

Overall, California is prone to droughts.  It's not a terribly unusual cycle - frustrating yes, but unusual no.  Bear Mountain resorts has always survived on man-made snow.  I ski there every weekend and am very grateful for the technology.  Would other resorts benefit from the same technology?  Of course, for early season opening.  Mammoth uses it as do several Tahoe area resorts.  But an anomaly?  Not really.

 

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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

I admire beyond's cool in answering the previous post, but, man, the assumption of that post almost felt insulting to me. Climate change is reality to anyone who has lived in California for the last few seasons. If you choose to ignore science, it's your choice, you can also believe in gremlins, unicorns, and superiority of rear entry boots. So, do me a favor, don't call science politics, politics is something we can argue about, science deals with facts, and you ignore facts at your own peril. I am lucky that my day job is not affected by lack of snow, only my favorite recreation. I'm sure that everyone who works in the ski industry here has a very short fuse for the climate change deniers. The NYyTimes article was very good and I was just about to post it in the Skiing forum. Beyond just beat me to it.

Dude, get rid of the attitude. I know climate change is real, and I'm disgusted by the lack of action to deal with it.

But climate change is always a hot issue on epicski, and inevitably threads devolve into vicious polarized left-vs.-right fights, while most of us don't want to deal with politics on a ski forum. Thus the separate forum.
post #7 of 16
Well, your post came off as one of those, and I'm glad that I was mistaken. Plenty of threads on epic details for one reason or the other, and it's not a good reason to put it in the wrong forum. My ski season does not start until December, but I already know that Dec is going to suck. My first years since coming to this state skiing on a Thanksgiving was fairly reliable, my first Thanksgiving here I skied 2 feet of powder at Kirkwood, this is when I fell in love with this place. Those days are long gone, as early December at Squaw is reliably on a WROD (granted, last year it was powder over rocks on my first day and then no snow for many weeks....)
post #8 of 16
That was an attempt to be neutral, but I couldn't think of a way to be more neutral than to say it belonged where forum consensus has said it belonged. It just shows how poorly we communicate. Or maybe how easy it is to misunderstand if we're inclined to do so.
post #9 of 16

Just read that article and was ready to post it.  Pretty serious, but that's nothing new.

post #10 of 16
I'd disagree, if don't think it belongs in the politics forum. It's an article about skiing in the Sierra and there was nothing political in it.
post #11 of 16

mod note: I'm letting this thread stay here for now because there has been a successful attempt to keep the thread cool. Let's keep it that way please.

post #12 of 16
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Those days are long gone

Right, i moved out here in the early 90s to ski and it does seem a bit surreal now after 3 years of drought. Not sure those big snow years really happened. I find myself thinking about colorado more and more but it's hard to move when you're not 20 years old without commitments

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Those days are long gone

Right, i moved out here in the early 90s to ski and it does seem a bit surreal now after 3 years of drought. Not sure those big snow years really happened. I find myself thinking about colorado more and more but it's hard to move when you're not 20 years old without commitments


You and me both. 

Not that I'm planning on moving, but that the first year we lived here with the huge snow seems like a distant memory and it was only 4 years ago. 

post #14 of 16
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Overall, California is prone to droughts.  It's not a terribly unusual cycle - frustrating yes, but unusual no.  Bear Mountain resorts has always survived on man-made snow.  I ski there every weekend and am very grateful for the technology.  Would other resorts benefit from the same technology?  Of course, for early season opening.  Mammoth uses it as do several Tahoe area resorts.  But an anomaly?  Not really.



What a bitch that drought in 1881 was. Glad I wasn't in California trying to ski back then.
post #15 of 16
2014 winter is not even on that graph yet, and it does not look any better than the previous two.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by mustski View Post

Overall, California is prone to droughts.  It's not a terribly unusual cycle - frustrating yes, but unusual no.  Bear Mountain resorts has always survived on man-made snow.  I ski there every weekend and am very grateful for the technology.  Would other resorts benefit from the same technology?  Of course, for early season opening.  Mammoth uses it as do several Tahoe area resorts.  But an anomaly?  Not really.


That graph looks no different than a typical snow year too. Even in 10-11 when we had 700+ inches, there were 5 weeks of 100+ inches and January was bone dry. Tahoe gets snow in waves, just the way it is.
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