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What does anyone know about the Salomon Quest Pro 110?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

I am trying to buy boots for my large child while he is back here for Thanksgiving. He will be teaching skiing this season, first year, so we want something comfortable (but not too comfortable). He tried on several Salomons, and really liked the fit. The X Max 100  fit very well but was too soft. We are going to try to find an X Max 120 to compare. (Stock in 29.5s so far has been a bit low, though.)

 

Also tried a Dalbello Boss and Atomic Waymaker 110, both too roomy. Atomic Tracker 130 was tight, fine in the foot but the liner around the shin was very uncomfortable and I don't want him to have to deal with all that PITA. The Quest Pro has a wide-ish forefoot but the heel pocket seems to be quite snug. 

 

Anyone been in these yet?  (I guess I'm concerned about the width and the softness, but my bias is toward narrow and stiff, so.... )

post #2 of 11

Hi Segbrown:

 

Earlier this week, I went back and forth between the Salomon XMax 100, XPro  100, XMax 120, and XPro 120.  As you may know, these boots have the Custom Shell, which allows the 98 last XMaxes to be molded up to 104 mm, the XPros are 100 to 106 mm.  The boots will expand to fit the width of your foot up to 6 mm.  I was in the XMax 100's last year in 27.5, but the boots had a defective liner and were replaced.  I shell sized down to the 26.5 and feel I got a better fit as a result, with just enough length in the boot.

 

I am a long time instructor, so there is always the competition between a boot that is a good boot to teach in (we do a lot of slower skiing and a softer boot is better for that) and a stiffer boot for when we are skiing and want to put the hammer down. 

 

As a first year instructor, your son will be teaching mostly beginners or children, depending on the ski area's needs.  So that should be considered in his boot selection. 

 

You say that he is large.  If he is say over 200 lbs, the 120 flex is probably pretty manageable for him. 

 

The XMax 100 fit me the best of all the boots.  The XPro's felt like they would get too big too quick for me.  I am 105 mm in my left forefoot, and 104 on the right.  The shell expanded from 98 mm to my foot no problem, and I have a good secure heel hold. 

 

The ideal boot fit is one that is snug everywhere and has no pressure points anywhere.  If the boot is well fit, it will feel like it is maybe too tight the first 4 or 5 times you ski it, but then the liner packs in to just right.  That is what you want to aim for.  If the boot is comfortable in the shop, it is a given that it will shortly be too big. 

 

Whomever the boot fitter is, they should do a shell fitting to see if he can downsize.  Ideally, about 10 to 15 mm. behind the bare foot in the shell with the liner out.  Hopefully there is a skilled bootfitter in your area who can optimize the fit for him.  

 

I hope he enjoys teaching. 

post #3 of 11

Hi -

 

I have both the xmax130 and the Quest Max 130 . both from last year.

 

The pro is a good boot also (xPro, I mean), but too wide around the ankle area for me. The Xmax is a great fit. Actually maybe the first comfortable boot I've ever had (coming from Nordic Doberman, Atomic, Fischer and originally all lange). Not as snappy or reactive as the dobie or atomic on the flex, but really finds its power if you lock it down a bit.

 

The big challenge with the Quest line, especially for teaching, is that they really don't provide a lot of power to the edge. It's boggy and really made for deep snow, slack country stuff, not powering the edge in demo turns (it actually doesn't snowplow well either lol). It is great fun for crud snow, fun skiing, moving around the lodge, etc.

 

XPro is a good compromise for both, but if the fit doesn't work, Xmax is a great boot. The 120 also has rubber soles where the 130 has the FIS plastic sole. I'd prefer the rubber soles myself (part of my rationale for buying the Quest was for skiing with my toddler daughter, easier walking, etc).

 

It's also pretty warm - all great points for hanging around in it all day.

post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks so much, that's just what I needed ... after thinking about it this morning, I sent him back to try on the 28.5s in hopes that it would fit well enough that any tight spots would work after a mold. He just called me and said that is what they are going to do, so I am much more comfortable now. 

 

For reference, he is 6'6" 185 with a 13-14 foot. Feet are on the narrow side, but ankles are medium, calf is also not terribly beefy. His foot hasn't really grown in several years; previously he was in a 29.5 2011 Dalbello Krypton Il Moro, I think with the medium tongue but I don't remember exactly. 

 

If edging becomes an issue later, we'll just deal with that later. He will definitely be teaching kids for a while.

post #5 of 11

Wow, the thought of getting size 13-14 feet into a 28.5 shell hurts my feet just thinking about it. I've 11.5-12 feet and ski in a 28.5 boot that is stiff and narrow, and there is no extra space. Can't imagine larger feet being happy in that size. I know shell fitting and sizing varies, and, I've no experience with any of the boots you are searching for feedback, so, my comments are a generalization. Just thinking out loud, but, does he need different boots to teach or does he just need new boots? Said another way, a boot correctly sized should be comfortable in teaching or all mountain skiing skiing. Toe pain from too short boots is very difficult to live with and there's only a limited amount of material to be ground out in  the toe area.

post #6 of 11

Hi Segbrown:

 

Did your son do the shellfit with the bootfitter?  If he did not, the downsizing is  pretty risky business as far as a proper fit, and the fitter should know that.  I don't want to steer you towards a smaller boot if it is not sized right.  If he did not shell fit, go somewhere else.  You don't want a know nothing shop rat downsizing for you. 

 

The 4 boots that I tried on were all 26.5, done after a shell fit that determined that I had enough room for a performance fit.  My fitter heat molded each of the liners before I tried the boot on, and I spent about 20 minutes walking around in each boot feeling out the good and bad before I made a decision as to the right boot for me.  I even thought about a 25.5, but that would have been too small.  I am very particular and know what I should be looking for.  I've learned from too many bad boot fittings that were in part my fault because I did not give enough of the right kind of feedback.  My fitter has been doing it for 40 years, and he spent almost 3 hours with me.  Absolutely knows his stuff.  (For you New Hampshire - Western Maine people, Dan Lewis of Stan and Dan's in North Conway, NH. Yes, that is a shameless plug.  The really good ones deserve to have us sing their praises.  Best shop in NH.)

 

Living Proof's concerns are valid.  And his comments are absolutely right.  Doesn't mean your son should not downsize, just means due diligence must be practiced.  We want him in the right boot whatever it is.

 

My understanding is that the newer Salomon custom shells have a deeper heel pocket, which allows somewhat more latitude in length. 

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Yeah, all is well ... he was shell fit and everything, I watched. I have been through a lot of high-level bootfitting, so I know what to look for and what questions to ask. This boot apparently runs a little longer than normal, which is why people can downsize and then address tight spots with the mold. I skied with him today and everything is great. I think we did ok.

 

(And, @Living Proof, ask @FairToMiddlin about a 14 in a 28.5! :D)

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post
 

Wow, the thought of getting size 13-14 feet into a 28.5 shell hurts my feet just thinking about it. I've 11.5-12 feet and ski in a 28.5 boot that is stiff and narrow, and there is no extra space.

 

Toe pain from too short boots is very difficult to live with and there's only a limited amount of material to be ground out in  the toe area.

 

 

the X Max runs real long, please people stop trying to convert US sizes into metric, it doesn't work, never has never will, take your metric size and start there...FWIW i buy a UK11 (US12) measure just under 29 on a brannock measurer yet comfortably fit into a 27.5 SalomonX Max ...go figure

 

work with your fitter to get it right, which it sounds like is what has been done

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

I am trying to buy boots for my large child while he is back here for Thanksgiving. He will be teaching skiing this season, first year, so we want something comfortable (but not too comfortable). He tried on several Salomons, and really liked the fit. The X Max 100  fit very well but was too soft. We are going to try to find an X Max 120 to compare. (Stock in 29.5s so far has been a bit low, though.)

Also tried a Dalbello Boss and Atomic Waymaker 110, both too roomy. Atomic Tracker 130 was tight, fine in the foot but the liner around the shin was very uncomfortable and I don't want him to have to deal with all that PITA. The Quest Pro has a wide-ish forefoot but the heel pocket seems to be quite snug. 

Anyone been in these yet?  (I guess I'm concerned about the width and the softness, but my bias is toward narrow and stiff, so.... )

Seg, haven t read all the replies, but the Quest Pro series of boots are pretty high volume... maybe the most of any of the walk mode 'side country' offerings and enough so that if an X-max boot is appropriate, the X-pro and Quest Max boots won't be. The shell in the heel in the Quest series boots is a bit of a bucket, so the pinch he's feeling is probably only the liner... a relatively easy fix that might also go away in the heat fitting process. The atomic non race boots by and large have pretty cushy high volumn liners. A lower volume walk mode boot offering that might be better to pull on would be a Tecnica Cochise series boot. Mid volume boots with a bit of instep room would be a Lange RX 120 (100 last) and a Tecnica Mach 1 110 or 120, and of course the original idea of the X-max boots. If he needs a bit lower volume, the 97 last Lange RX's might work. Now off to the fitter you two! smile.gif

(Edit... Looks like you've been there and done that! smile.gif Sounds like you're sorted. )
post #10 of 11

I've got four days in my X-Max 120's and they have been great. I measure 28 cm long and 95 mm in the fore foot, I usually wear a US mens 11A street shoe.

I have a great fitter and he put me in a 26.5. When the heating was done the fit was uniformly snug with no hot spots. I'm also using the optional lace in the liner to keep the tung snug to the shin. The 120's flex felt a little softer than the Head Raptor 115's I tried and has a progressive feel unlike the Raptor's which felt like they hit a stop after moving a few centimeters.

I'm extremely pleased the the Salomon X-Max 120. I teach mostly beginners and they have been fine for doing the boot drill and demos.

post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

Yeah, all is well ... he was shell fit and everything, I watched. I have been through a lot of high-level bootfitting, so I know what to look for and what questions to ask. This boot apparently runs a little longer than normal, which is why people can downsize and then address tight spots with the mold. I skied with him today and everything is great. I think we did ok.

 

(And, @Living Proof, ask @FairToMiddlin about a 14 in a 28.5! :D)

 

No doubt in my mind that you are an outstanding coach when selecting boots for your children. 

 

Funny you mention FTM. During the Tahoe Gathering, he and I would swap skis as we both had 335 BSL. I skied in a Nordica 29 boot that was way too roomy for my foot. I'd bet a round of beers that he would not like my Atomic Redster 28.5 boots. I think he and I now ski 325 BSL, so, swapping with him should still work. FTM grew up skiing at my home Pa. mountain, he's graduated to the big time now....he keeps up with you!

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