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ok to upsize the boot for a new jr racer?

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Thanks in advance to any an all with experience outfitting a new D team skier.  From what I understand it is best to have a tight fitting race boot, however...

the local shop doesn't have a boot in my youngsters measured size that will fit his high instep and suggested the next size up which doesn't bother him.  They said it should be fine but I am concerned about movement with at least 1.5" in shell fit.  Does anyone have experience with a jr in a size up or know of a good boot for a high instep?

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Hi Welcome to EpicSki. 

I'm not familiar with what a D Team is in relation to Jr ski racing, but if he/she is going to be on snow as much as I think, then I wouldn't go up a size. How old is the Jr racer? 

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A "2 finger fit", is about an inch..so a 1.5" fit is almost a 3 finger fit, was too much for even a recreational skier let alone a racer who has to rely on even more of a connection to the ski than a rec skier. How old is the racer and how high of an instep? What does he measure length wise and what does he measure around the instep (the heel circumference measurement in the diagram below)? "A high instep" might be a 2cm difference. which means maybe and thats a big maybe upsizing one size but depending on the boot. 

 

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Originally Posted by SamuiMom View Post
 

Thanks in advance to any an all with experience outfitting a new D team skier.  From what I understand it is best to have a tight fitting race boot, however...

the local shop doesn't have a boot in my youngsters measured size that will fit his high instep and suggested the next size up which doesn't bother him.  They said it should be fine but I am concerned about movement with at least 1.5" in shell fit.  Does anyone have experience with a jr in a size up or know of a good boot for a high instep?


D Teams can range from 6 to 16 to 17, AFAIK. Could you give an age? Because at some ages, that 1.5" will be halved by March. That said, though, sloppy boots won't help technique, can lead to bad habits. I'd think about trying another shop with a different set of brands. 

 

But if you mean true junior sizes, say late childhood, most will have lowish volume over the insteps because most kids that age have same. You start getting more variance in arches about a year or two before maximum height velocity in boys, so call it 12-13. At that age, you could also think about women's boots, if you can find a color scheme he could live with. (Women tend to retain foot proportion more like tweeners than men do.) Phil would know more, but I recall Nordica used to make a lot of higher volume models for both sexes. Also maybe Head? Finally, a good insole would be in order to support that arch. 

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Three fingers is way too much. The shop does not have the right size and is trying to unload the boot that they have. My D team kid has never had boots for more than a year, it's just one of the costs of the sport. I'd either find another shop or talk to them about ordering the right size. If neither is an option (and only then) I'd ask them about buying online and having the shop fit the boot. However considering that they put a D team kid in a three finger fit boot, I would not put much faith in their fitting. Women boots is an option, however small expert level women boots are even more rare than junior race boots. A footbed sometimes helps, as sometimes a perceived high instep problem can be lack of arch support. I've seem that a few times with friends. Fitters forum would have much better answers, especially if you post a detailed question good luck.
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Talk to the coach or other members/parents of the club. They are getting their boots somewhere. Many of them, understanding the expense involved, keep decent lists of items up for sale. They might even have a ski swap. Probably already had a ski swap but they might know who still has something.
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Thank you! D team is development team.  They race but it is pre-USSA.  Racer is 13 and they do use high gates.

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

A "2 finger fit", is about an inch..so a 1.5" fit is almost a 3 finger fit, was too much for even a recreational skier let alone a racer who has to rely on even more of a connection to the ski than a rec skier. How old is the racer and how high of an instep? What does he measure length wise and what does he measure around the instep (the heel circumference measurement in the diagram below)? "A high instep" might be a 2cm difference. which means maybe and thats a big maybe upsizing one size but depending on the boot. 

 


Thanks for the responses Philpug and all the other helpful members.  The racer is 13 and I took all the measurements on the diagram in mm:

length 242

calf 315

heel 320

instep 238

waist 232

ball 228

 

I'm not sure what the standard is to determine a 2cm difference but our feet are close in length with his instep being 1cm more than mine.  Do current Nordica models have more volume there?

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