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post #1 of 11
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Great week of snow making and it will be in the teens tonight but we won't be skiing tomorrow and it's not because there is insufficient cover. Seven Springs will open next Friday.

I'm seriously bummed. The opportunity to ski this early in the season probably occurs 5percent of the the opening days. Outside of pass holders I would assume there would be few tickets sold. So I think the "actuaries" that run the place won't spend the money to run a couple of lifts groom the snow and provide a "treat" for the people that year end year out support the place. I think you have to buy next year's pass now in May so the revenue is there.

Anyway, a lot of Pirate fans think Bob Nutting who owns both the Pirates and Seven Springs is a "cheap" owner. He's a great bottom line businessman for sure, but I wish we still had the Dupre family owning the resort who had a real passion for providing the best skiing possible as well as the skiers who skied there.
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I have no inside information on how Seven Springs is run...  But I imagine it requires bringing in a fair number of people even to operate on a "skeleton staff" basis.  Between lift operators, mechanics, groomer drivers, snowmakers, ski patrollers, lodge help, kitchen help, parking lot asisstants, etc...  -- you're talking bringing in quite a few people on pretty short notice.

 

They might have wanted to open but were unable to find enough employees willing or able to start work a week or two early.

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I have no inside information on how Seven Springs is run...  But I imagine it requires bringing in a fair number of people even to operate on a "skeleton staff" basis.  Between lift operators, mechanics, groomer drivers, snowmakers, ski patrollers, lodge help, kitchen help, parking lot asisstants, etc...  -- you're talking bringing in quite a few people on pretty short notice.

 

They might have wanted to open but were unable to find enough employees willing or able to start work a week or two early.


OK then why not just open five or six springs??:dunno

post #4 of 11

It's called a monopoly.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post

I have no inside information on how Seven Springs is run...  But I imagine it requires bringing in a fair number of people even to operate on a "skeleton staff" basis.  Between lift operators, mechanics, groomer drivers, snowmakers, ski patrollers, lodge help, kitchen help, parking lot asisstants, etc...  -- you're talking bringing in quite a few people on pretty short notice.

They might have wanted to open but were unable to find enough employees willing or able to start work a week or two early.

All good points that I concede making a quick decision difficult. But if management would have been motivated to make it happen I believe it would have gotten done.

It's always going to be a money driven decision at the Springs now. I know the retired guys that ski during the week are upset that in the early season they don't run the lifts after the weekend until typically Friday.

Nothing stays the same and I think this will be my 34th year skiing there. It was better before it was sold IMHO.
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post

I have no inside information on how Seven Springs is run...  But I imagine it requires bringing in a fair number of people even to operate on a "skeleton staff" basis.  Between lift operators, mechanics, groomer drivers, snowmakers, ski patrollers, lodge help, kitchen help, parking lot asisstants, etc...  -- you're talking bringing in quite a few people on pretty short notice.

They might have wanted to open but were unable to find enough employees willing or able to start work a week or two early.

All good points that I concede making a quick decision difficult. But if management would have been motivated to make it happen I believe it would have gotten done.

It's always going to be a money driven decision at the Springs now. I know the retired guys that ski during the week are upset that in the early season they don't run the lifts after the weekend until typically Friday.

Nothing stays the same and I think this will be my 34th year skiing there. It was better before it was sold IMHO.


Was the sale a business decision because 7Springs was losing money or because the former owners were ready to move on?

 

Always interesting to watch the contrast in NC between Sugar and Beech, which are 20 min apart.  Beech is at a slightly higher elevation.  But Sugar is the ski area that likes to be first to open in NC.  Usually they are competing with Cataloochee, which has only 25 acres to cover so they can get open after just a few cold days.

 

In VA, Massanutten and Wintergreen often open around the same time.  They are about an hour apart and mostly pull people from DC and northern VA.  Mnut opened for snow tubing this weekend but is waiting until after Thanksgiving to open the ski slopes.  I assume not opening the slopes is a staffing issue more than due to lack of snow.  Plus they probably want to be able to open to the top on Opening Day.

 

I hear you on weekdays early season.  I'll be in Albany before Thanksgiving.  Although there are quite a few places in the Catskills and Adirondacks open this weekend, nothing is open Mon-Tue, Nov. 24-25.

post #7 of 11

All indications were that the previous owners, the founding family, were ready to move on. Part of the family wanted to sell many years before but the other part of the family took them to court to stop the sale. That issue was resolved between the family and we now have the current owner who made his mark in the newspaper business then purchased the MLB Pittsburgh Pirates. Just as an interesting aside the Dupre's had secured a casino license and was ready to develop another revenue stream then sold the place to Mr. Nutting. He could not operate a gambling business and a baseball team due to MLB rules so forfeited the gaming license. I'd say that Seven Springs was then and is now a very successful business.  Mr. Nutting apparently does not value that intangible business factor called good will now that he controls all three ski resorts on the Laurel Ridge.

 

The only nearby competition is Nemacolin Woodlands which has a small ski operation that is more like another amenity offered to guest of this upscale, toney spa/resort and Allegheny County owned Boyce Park, a Pittsburgh suburban ski area with a tubing hill. Both ski areas are vertically challenged even by Mid-A standards.

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All indications were that the previous owners, the founding family, were ready to move on. Part of the family wanted to sell many years before but the other part of the family took them to court to stop the sale. That issue was resolved between the family and we now have the current owner who made his mark in the newspaper business then purchased the MLB Pittsburgh Pirates. Just as an interesting aside the Dupre's had secured a casino license and was ready to develop another revenue stream then sold the place to Mr. Nutting. He could not operate a gambling business and a baseball team due to MLB rules so forfeited the gaming license. I'd say that Seven Springs was then and is now a very successful business.  Mr. Nutting apparently does not value that intangible business factor called good will now that he controls all three ski resorts on the Laurel Ridge.

 

The only nearby competition is Nemacolin Woodlands which has a small ski operation that is more like another amenity offered to guest of this upscale, toney spa/resort and Allegheny County owned Boyce Park, a Pittsburgh suburban ski area with a tubing hill. Both ski areas are vertically challenged even by Mid-A standards.


Interesting.

 

The long time competition between Sugar, Beech, and App near Boone/Banner Elk definitely makes a difference in how the ski scene in the NC mountains works.  Massanutten and Wintergreen compete in the same base market but have very different business models.  They also have to compete with the Snowtime ski areas and WV ski resorts when it comes to folks in the DC/Baltimore metro area.

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Forgot about the casino interests years back .That is real interesting regarding Nutting and the casino conflict . Not knowing any better I would have thought the resort would have been able to sell to another buyer who wanted the casino license for more money.

I have always compared 7 Springs to Holiday Valley. I think they do similar skier days etc. Maybe I might be wrong on that, but Holiday Valley has consistently over the years reinvested money back into their facilities and is a better ski resort as a result.

I don't spend much time inside the lodge anyway but the wood rotted locker that costs $ 225 a year that I could stick my fist through is a joke.

All that being said if 7 Springs would replace the Old slow Northface lift with a new high speed lift , I'd overlook everything else and be elated!
post #10 of 11

Roundturns. I'm one who is happy that the main North Face has fixed grips serving that slope. It keeps traffic reasonable. The masses always head to the Gunnar 6 so the narrower trails there get crowded and ice up faster.

 

In retrospect, perhaps just as well they didn't open yesterday considering the freezing rain. I seldom ski opening day anymore. I'm not a season pass holder and usually the cost for the crowd and available terrain just isn't worth it for me. 

 

About the gaming licence, I recall more than one person say that the only reason Seven Springs operated Laurel Mountain that one season was to curry favor with the state to secure the license. And just one more thing about that time. I never met a person who liked the moniker that they gave Laurel. I mean really, The Springs at Laurel Mountain? 

 

You should really come out to the Gathering at Blue Knob Feb. 7-8.

post #11 of 11

I remember April 2012 7Springs got a freaky 16" and re-opened on Tuesday April 24, for one day, for $24.00. You got a hot dog, a beer and a lift ticket. Doubt they got rich that day.

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