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^^^^ I never understood how the Swagger Wagon marketing was supposed to make me want to drive a minivan.   It has quite the opposite effect.  :dunno

 

Well, we're all different, but no kind of marketing has ever made me want to drive anything.  It's all in how it drives, utility, and what it costs, for me.

 

But I agree about the swagger wagon nonsense.  The first time we saw that ad, I looked at my wife and said Toyota should have given me half that marketing budget to do nothing, kept the other half, and ended up ahead in terms of both budget and sales.

Well, thats marketing for ys, I thought it was pretty good. Since it was just a Youtube video and wasn't used in ads, I doubt it cost too much. The campaign that was directed towards our generation (over 45 and empty nesters) was the Venza about how they were always out and Gen X'ers didn't know where they were. 

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Add the brand new 2016 Honda HR-V to the list of vehicles that doesn't have AWD with a stick.  It has a six speed.  It has AWD.  Just not together:

 

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Honda has been keeping the HR-V's powertrain a closely guarded secret – until now. All of them get a 1.8-liter four-cylinder that makes 138 horsepower and 127 pound-feet of torque with the choice of either a six-speed manual or CVT. Either front- or all-wheel drive is available, but the six-speed is only available on front-driving models.
 

 

Looks like a great cute-ute based on the FIT.  The FIT is supposed to be fun to drive, and I bet the HRV also is with the six-speed.   Slap some Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8 studded tires on it, and it would be a great econo ski car. 

 

@sibhusky, I'm sure I missed this in a previous discussion, but could front wheel drive with really good studded snows work for you?   I drove a FWD Integra with studs for 5+ years and could go just about anywhere until the snow was so deep I was pushing lots of snow.   With the higher clearance of the FWD SUV's, you'd have to have pretty extreme conditions to get stuck with good snow tires... but maybe you do?

post #33 of 56
I live up a hill on a dirt road surrounded by forest with only four neighbors. The unprepared are always abandoning their vehicles at the bottom, for some reason in the intersection.. (Seriously, you're leaving it in the "target zone"?). UPS either calls me to come down or chains up. The garbage guy makes us bring it down the hill. Fed Ex used to leave it at some business in town, but that guy is gone, thank goodness. Until my neighbor put his foot down about insurance liability issues, some church group used to hold sledding parties on our hill. (Glad that's over, I just loved having the road buffed by saucers..)

Don't think FWD would be my choice. When my daughter was an infant, I was caught at the bottom of a hill between us and another home on Christmas Eve in a blinding snow storm, waiting for anyone to show up and get us home. Don't plan on repeating that experience. Although I'm rarely in dress shoes in Montana...

The first year we lived here, the rest of the family kept borrowing my car. Now there are three AWD vehicles and a 4 wheel drive.
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Got it.  Yep, you need AWD or 4x4.   

 

How about a Toyota FJ or Tacoma w/topper?   They both come with a 6-speed.  Unfortunately, the 4runner only has an automatic, otherwise it would be on my short list.   I rarely need the off-road capabilities of a 4x4, but I really like the beefier suspension.  Driving on rutted snow packed roads can beat the crap out of AWD suspensions.

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I have spent a lot of money on struts/arms/whatever the last ten years.

Really don't want something big, I like doing a U turn in one easy move. Want a new version of what I've got already, darn it.

And I know that some people consider what you listed as small, but I don't. Small to me is a Mini Coop.
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Not yet available, but how about the VW Crossblue small SUV, diesel hybrid plug-in? Jane and I are waiting to see how expensive this will be, as a replacement for the Jetta Tdi. Promised for this time next year. And Phil, I'm still driving that 03 Highlander, better tires now, tho.
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Yep, something got to give.  If you can give on the wagon part, a 2010-2014 TL would be a great awd stick.   

 

In more disappearing manual transmission news... the newly designed 2015 Acura TLX sadly has no stick.  It replaces the TL and TSX, both of which could be had with manuals.

But no stick on the TSX wagon.  There's always one missing piece to the puzzle (wagon + AWD - stick; wagon + stick - AWD; AWD + stick - wagon....).  I'm still hanging on to my manual Saab 9-5 wagon, though no AWD.  Waiting to see the VW wagon.  Wife and daughter love the Q5, so might get outvoted.  

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VW hasn't seen fit to bring a Tiguan TDI over here, I think that diesel hybrid is wishful thinking for the states.

 

We just got a Golf TDI with DSG earlier this year, and LOVE the car.  The DSG does have a maintenance cost, but the shifting is almost telepathic.  Tap the brakes on a downhill, and it downshifts, smoother than just about anyone could do themselves.  I had heard bad things about the maintenance expense, but I would never bother with a manual transmission after driving this car.  And the torque of the TDI is amazing, you actually have to be careful taking off from a stop because you can easily spin the tires on dry pavement.  The trans has sport mode, and the manual shifting option allows you to start off on snow and ice in 2nd gear.  And 45mpg on top of that.  If VW ever comes out with a small SUV or crossover with this engine/trans combo, I'll be first in line at the local dealer.  A new set of the latest model Blizzaks just went on, I'm ready  :)

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VW hasn't seen fit to bring a Tiguan TDI over here, I think that diesel hybrid is wishful thinking for the states.

 

We just got a Golf TDI with DSG earlier this year, and LOVE the car.  The DSG does have a maintenance cost, but the shifting is almost telepathic.  Tap the brakes on a downhill, and it downshifts, smoother than just about anyone could do themselves.  I had heard bad things about the maintenance expense, but I would never bother with a manual transmission after driving this car.  And the torque of the TDI is amazing, you actually have to be careful taking off from a stop because you can easily spin the tires on dry pavement.  The trans has sport mode, and the manual shifting option allows you to start off on snow and ice in 2nd gear.  And 45mpg on top of that.  If VW ever comes out with a small SUV or crossover with this engine/trans combo, I'll be first in line at the local dealer.  A new set of the latest model Blizzaks just went on, I'm ready  :)


For some reason VW/Audi has not brought the 4cyl TDI/small suv crossover to the US market. The closest choice is the Audi Q5/Porsche Macan with the 3.0 v6 tdi.

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VW hasn't seen fit to bring a Tiguan TDI over here, I think that diesel hybrid is wishful thinking for the states.

 

We just got a Golf TDI with DSG earlier this year, and LOVE the car.  The DSG does have a maintenance cost, but the shifting is almost telepathic.  Tap the brakes on a downhill, and it downshifts, smoother than just about anyone could do themselves.  I had heard bad things about the maintenance expense, but I would never bother with a manual transmission after driving this car.  And the torque of the TDI is amazing, you actually have to be careful taking off from a stop because you can easily spin the tires on dry pavement.  The trans has sport mode, and the manual shifting option allows you to start off on snow and ice in 2nd gear.  And 45mpg on top of that.  If VW ever comes out with a small SUV or crossover with this engine/trans combo, I'll be first in line at the local dealer.  A new set of the latest model Blizzaks just went on, I'm ready  :)

 

 

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For some reason VW/Audi has not brought the 4cyl TDI/small suv crossover to the US market. The closest choice is the Audi Q5/Porsche Macan with the 3.0 v6 tdi.

 

Not that their word is worth much but VOA says TDi Tiguan in Q2 2017 ... which is far enough down the road for them to totally forget about this ...

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I read the other day that France wants to start getting diesel cars off of it's roads. Not sure if that is good or bad for Americans that want oil-burners.

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I don't know how they are going to do that....90% of the cars on the road in France are small diesels. 

 

They've had a Tiguan TDI over in Europe for years.  I rented a regular Tiguan 2 years ago when I went to Reno and drove up to Tahoe to ski.  Lousy gas mileage, and premium fuel to boot.  My wife was considering buying one up until that point...lost interest with that experience.

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I don't know how they are going to do that....90% of the cars on the road in France are small diesels. 

 

They've had a Tiguan TDI over in Europe for years.  I rented a regular Tiguan 2 years ago when I went to Reno and drove up to Tahoe to ski.  Lousy gas mileage, and premium fuel to boot.  My wife was considering buying one up until that point...lost interest with that experience.


The article mentioned a $7000 tax credit for gas engines. Or something along those lines.

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Gee, wish they'd do that one here. Finally, an incentive that applies to me.
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The current Subaru automatics are much better than they used to be.  We were always manual drivers, but 4 years ago we couldn't find one and my wife settled for an automatic Impreza.  I hated driving it.  She just traded it in on a new auto Impreza, and it is not bad.  I have nearly the same thing in a manual (they are even the same color :)), and while I do still prefer that, I could settle if I had to.

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I don't know how they are going to do that....90% of the cars on the road in France are small diesels. 

 

They've had a Tiguan TDI over in Europe for years.  I rented a regular Tiguan 2 years ago when I went to Reno and drove up to Tahoe to ski.  Lousy gas mileage, and premium fuel to boot.  My wife was considering buying one up until that point...lost interest with that experience.


Yeah, we eat the gas -- the car's so great that we just kind of overlook the gas issue.

 

FWIW, the salesman who sold me the Tiguan said that VW Group management doesn't put the attractive things (manual, TDi) into the lower-price VW package, but reserves them for Audi.  I assume the thinking is that if you're looking for a better price, you're not going to care about owning "the ultimate driving machine."  Typical, simple-minded marketing-think.

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Well, they're not putting the manual into any Audi that interests me these days or I'd have it. Of course, the nearest dealer is maybe Spokane? The local dude lost the franchise.
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Yeah, we eat the gas -- the car's so great that we just kind of overlook the gas issue.

 

FWIW, the salesman who sold me the Tiguan said that VW Group management doesn't put the attractive things (manual, TDi) into the lower-price VW package, but reserves them for Audi.  I assume the thinking is that if you're looking for a better price, you're not going to care about owning "the ultimate driving machine."  Typical, simple-minded marketing-think.


You can get a 2015 Golf TDI with a 6 manual . There are a few near me for $23K. I would guess that most of the people who buy a Tig do not want a manual. In reality most USA drivers do not want a manual.

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You can get a 2015 Golf TDI with a 6 manual . There are a few near me for $23K. I would guess that most of the people who buy a Tig do not want a manual. In reality most USA drivers do not want a manual.

 

Yes, the Golf is more a driver's car -- people buy it as a fun drive.  When goals compete (a driver's/skier's car), things break down.  They shouldn't, ideally, but building a car is a risky business.  You can get a manual Tiguan, but not in AWD.  You can't get a TDi Tiguan in the US.

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The current Subaru automatics are much better than they used to be.  

 

They're also not automatics.  All, or almost all, of the line is now CVT.

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Well, they're not putting the manual into any Audi that interests me these days or I'd have it. Of course, the nearest dealer is maybe Spokane? The local dude lost the franchise.

I'd seriously consider a manual Allroad, Q5, or A4/A6 Avant (if they sold them here).  Unfortunately, none of the above are available here any more.  I'm also interested to see what the Golf wagon looks like.  

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The current Subaru automatics are much better than they used to be.  

They're also not automatics.  All, or almost all, of the line is now CVT.

Of course a CVT is an automatic transmission. They do those annoying automatic transmission behaviors less than the older mechanization, but they still do them.
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Well, they're not putting the manual into any Audi that interests me these days or I'd have it. Of course, the nearest dealer is maybe Spokane? The local dude lost the franchise.
I'd seriously consider a manual Allroad, Q5, or A4/A6 Avant (if they sold them here).  Unfortunately, none of the above are available here any more.  I'm also interested to see what the Golf wagon looks like.  

I'd definitely take an Allroad or a new version of my Avant. But, it's not in a manual anymore! And I'm guessing by the time that Sportwagen gets here, it won't be either. So, looking at used cars.
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Well, they're not putting the manual into any Audi that interests me these days or I'd have it. Of course, the nearest dealer is maybe Spokane? The local dude lost the franchise.
I'd seriously consider a manual Allroad, Q5, or A4/A6 Avant (if they sold them here).  Unfortunately, none of the above are available here any more.  I'm also interested to see what the Golf wagon looks like.  

I'd definitely take an Allroad or a new version of my Avant. But, it's not in a manual anymore! And I'm guessing by the time that Sportwagen gets here, it won't be either. So, looking at used cars.

 

That might be your only option. I agree, there is a more than better chance that the there won't be a stick in this Alltrack.  

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Of course a CVT is an automatic transmission. They do those annoying automatic transmission behaviors less than the older mechanization, but they still do them.

can you say snowmobile transmission wink.gif
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Of course a CVT is an automatic transmission. They do those annoying automatic transmission behaviors less than the older mechanization, but they still do them.

 

Obviously, I don't disagree that it's automated.  But it is a different technology.  And while CVTs may have matured more of late -- I haven't driven one regularly since I managed to get rid of our Prius -- they're truly the bottom of the barrel transmission choice for me, after stick, DSG, conventional automatic, and in the Tesla, no transmission whatsoever.  I'd have bought a Nissan Juke instead of an Infiniti EX35 if the AWD and CVT weren't part and parcel.

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