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Buyer's remorse? 102mm vs. 100mm last for 28.5, 106.3mm foot

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- Aggressive level 8 skier.  Ski primarily carved high speed GS turns on groomers in the East (ME/NH/VT).  But do try to get out west once per year and when there will seek out any fresh I can find but will settle for crud.  Still avoid moguls.

- The last time I bought boots was in the mid-90s.  Bought Salomon Equipe 8.0s off the rack with no fitting, no adjustment, never had any pain or cold issues, and skied on them for ~18 years (handful of times per year). 28.5 shell.  Needless to say the liner is completely packed out.

- Currently ski a one-ski quiver of Dynastar Sultan 85s circa 5 years ago.  Looking to potentially buy Nordica Fire Arrow 76s this year (demo day in 3 weeks).  No present plans to add a wide powder ski.  Will rent them out west if there's a dump.

- Seeking new boots primarily because the old ones are packed out and I'm concerned that I'm giving up performance with my foot flopping around in there.

- Calipered my forefoot at 106.3mm prior to fitting.

- Went to a Masterfit certified fitter that I've seen get positive reviews around here a couple of times. 

- After an initial round of trials, narrowed selection down to Rossignol Synergy2 120 (102mm last) and Tecnica Mach1 110 (100mm last).  The boot fitter did not have a Tecnica Mach1 130 in my size.

- They looked at my old liners and were very pleased with the very small amount of lint under the heel .  Seemed like phrenology to me. ;-)

- They evaluated stance and I was pretty much dead on (straight, even)  in either boot.

- The 100mm Mach1 had one pressure point on the ankle bone (not forefoot volume related) but otherwise I had no pain.  I really liked how the Achilles/heel fit in that boot.  The bootfitter had concern, though, that over the course of a day a 106mm foot in a 100mm last could have issues build up (pain/numbness).  No real way to duplicate in store without walking around in them for 8 hours.

- So I ultimately went with the 102mm Rossi straight off the rack.  No pressure points whatsoever in that boot but I'm wondering if that may be a bad thing.  Can't lift my heel too much but felt more planted in the Tecnica.  Really feel like my forefoot lays flat in the Rossi.  I can completely curl my toes under my forefoot.  Feels generally "snug" but not as snug as the Tecnica. 

- Thoughts?  Since the fitter did literally nothing to the boot (marking the second boot in a row that I've bought completely off the rack), I could still return it.

 

Thanks in advance.

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BigRedd,

 

A 100mm boot is only 100mm wide in a 26.5/26.0 shell, in a 28.5/28.0 shell the boot would be 4mm wider in most brands, so a 28.5 would be 104mm.  Since "heel hold" is the most important component of retaining the foot in any boot, and none of the boots were broken as yet, you might have been better off in the Tecnica.  Get the heel hold right, then fix the forefoot if needed, after it's broken in.

 

 As you said, you "can't lift your heels, too much" in the Rossi (???) not a good thing to get started with,  

 

What size feet on a mondo measuring device

 

custom foot beds?

 

How much do you weigh, how tall?

 

mike

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Thanks, Mike.  28 on the Mondo.  6', 190.

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- Aggressive level 8 skier.  Ski primarily carved high speed GS turns on groomers in the East (ME/NH/VT).  But do try to get out west once per year and when there will seek out any fresh I can find but will settle for crud.  Still avoid moguls.

- The last time I bought boots was in the mid-90s.  Bought Salomon Equipe 8.0s off the rack with no fitting, no adjustment, never had any pain or cold issues, and skied on them for ~18 years (handful of times per year). 28.5 shell.  Needless to say the liner is completely packed out.

 

- Seeking new boots primarily because the old ones are packed out and I'm concerned that I'm giving up performance with my foot flopping around in there.

- Calipered my forefoot at 106.3mm prior to fitting.

 

- After an initial round of trials, narrowed selection down to Rossignol Synergy2 120 (102mm last) and Tecnica Mach1 110 (100mm last).  The boot fitter did not have a Tecnica Mach1 130 in my size.

- They looked at my old liners and were very pleased with the very small amount of lint under the heel .  Seemed like phrenology to me. ;-)

 

I highlighted a portion of you original post:

 

Read through the following article and pay close attention to how to "Shell fit" a boot:

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

 

now shell fit the old pair of boots you have and any other boots you may decide to purchase.

 

Ignore the size on the shell, go by the shell fit, then have any hot spots stretched to accommodate your foot shape.

 

Given your size and experience I would recommend a stiffer boot.

 

mike

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