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post #31 of 37
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post
 

If I'll go with patron, I think I could do better... (may be)

 

I guess, I was just confused about that "rule of thumb" for powder ski: 

advanced: your height + 5 cm

expert: your height +10 cm

 

So, if I am 6' -> 183 cms + 5 > 181 Head 

dont follow a rule of thumb. Its not that simple.  Its really about a ski's felt running length (rockered ski's in powder still make contact) with where you are skiing (open bowls vs tight trees) and your ability to a degree. All rockered profiles are not alike!  I am 6' 170 and ski the 185 Patron in trees and think it ski's rather short; but plenty stable and fun.  I also skied and like the Soul7 in 180, Sali Q105 in 181 and others in the mid to upper 180's.  I had no issues skiing the Head REV105 in a 181.  

post #32 of 37

Similarly, I'm taller than Finndog but nowhere near as good/experienced as him, so I opted for a shorter length with the Collectives.  I also did that specifically because they're for skiing with my kids and in the trees, so shorter length is perfect for that. 

 

Conversely, my Experience 98s are a 180 length but they have a very long running length and I don't have much opportunity to really open them up where I ski, otherwise I could have gone 188. But I also enjoy turny skis so I typically go shorter rather than longer because of my personal preferences, even though the "math" says I could handle skis >185cm no problem.

post #33 of 37

AND you did ski that 105 very well!  Plenty stable for you. The conditions that day were a mix of soft piled transitioning into a firm base. Not the easiest and certainly would challenge a skis stability. 

post #34 of 37
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I ski bones in 180 for everyday and they are working for me (just not in deep and wet). But, I think I could go longer (haven't tried it yet) to 187, but I thought powder is different, one has to have length to be float on top... 

Yes, I think it is super scare to take 190+ without testing it... so 185/187 would be more optimal.


Edited by Oleg S - 4/22/15 at 3:14pm
post #35 of 37
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post
 

I ski bones in 180 for everyday and they are working for me (just not in deep and wet). But, I think I could go longer (haven't tried it yet) to 187, but I thought powder is different, one has to have length to be float on top..

Yes, I think it is super scare to take 190+ without testing it... so 185/187 would be more optimal.

float is more directly related to overall mass, not length which is just one dimension.  The amount of rocker, flex (torsional and longitudinal) skier weight, leverage (height and mount point) and skiing style will all affect float.  And lets not forget snow density while we're at it.  

post #36 of 37
You need length IF you don't have width. In the early days of 'phat' when 'phat' meant 89-93, I skied the longest thing available, usually a 193-5, and that was telemark. My current big ski is 186 x 118 mounted alpine. Ski length is affected by venue as well. Some places, long is just a pain in the butt. Others, long rules.

... And all the good stuff Finndog says in the post above that I didn't see.
post #37 of 37
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

You need length IF you don't have width. In the early days of 'phat' when 'phat' meant 89-93, I skied the longest thing available, usually a 193-5, and that was telemark. My current big ski is 186 x 118 mounted alpine. Ski length is affected by venue as well. Some places, long is just a pain in the butt. Others, long rules.

... And all the good stuff Finndog says in the post above that I didn't see.

 

 

SOOOOO true....   Extra real estate (ski length) in tighter trees and spots doesn't help at all 

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