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Step down from Bonafide?

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I've been reading a bunch of threads lately as I'm looking to get some skis this year and I was leaning towards the bonafides or the mantras but I'm not sure I want to spend quite that much.

I grew up skiing a ton in minnesota, took some years off and have since gotten back into it the last 5-6 years. I go out west for maybe 15 ski days a year now. I've been renting previously but think I finally want to buy some skis and boots.

I'm only going to have 1 pair and I do ski all over the mountain. Spend a lot of time at Breck and skimp anything from Peak 8 groomers to peak 6 bowls or peak 10 bumps or the top of the mountain off Tbar and independence, I'll get back in the trees occasionally although it's not my favorite. I'll pretty much go wherever the groups going since I just enjoy being out there. I'm 6'2 195.

If I wanted to find something similar to the bonafides, but a little cheaper, what would you guys suggest? I think I want something in the high 90's to 100 mm in the waist.
post #2 of 13
Skis.com currently has the Elan Spectrum 95 Aluminum in 180 cm length torr $199. It's a very respectable all mountain ski at a phenomenal price. If i were looking for a good 95-100mm sk that will perform well anywhere I'd be be all over this deal. I've had good luck with Elans in the past and Glen Plake seems to do ok with them. Great value. Intreresting technology. Solid build.
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Elans rip. My go fast ski is a pair of Elans. They have a lot to learn about marketing to North America, but there skis are some of the best out there. With that said, don't blow out an edge, as there is a right and left ski. 

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post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by Ebes1099 View Post

I'm 6'2 195.

If I wanted to find something similar to the bonafides, but a little cheaper, what would you guys suggest? I think I want something in the high 90's to 100 mm in the waist.

When you say "similar to the bonafides" do you mean similar in feel, similar in width, similar in purpose?

 

If you are looking at current year, new skis, the issue is that the Bonafide, at a street price of $700, isn't materially more expensive than its peers.  If you were to say "similar in feel" you'd want to choose a ~98 ski with some metal in it, and the peer skis (Rossi E100, New Mantra, NRGY 100, Supernatural 100) are all in the same price ballpark.  So you either need to find a prior year ski, or go for a value ski like the Auto 102 or Rocker2 100, but those skis will have a different feel.  Not necessarily worse, just different.

 

The Elans noted above are a pretty good idea for super cheap.  Another deal that I found in about 10 seconds of looking are some demos Fischer Ranger 96Ti - $699 with the binding.  http://www.powder7.com/Fischer-Ranger-96-Ti-Skis/for-sale  I think that would be a great OSQ for Breck and the 186 might fit you well.  Or the prior year ski, the Watea 96 for $468 from Evo.

 

The answer here comes down to budget - and the real question is how much do you like the actual Bonafide (have you demo'd it?), or is your interest more in the idea of the Bonafide (as reviewed in the press and yaked about around here)? 

 

The Bonafide is an awesome ski - with a nice blend of attributes.  I own it as my daily driver, fwiw.  If that's what you want, look for a prior year version: http://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/blizzard-bonafide-2014.aspx#image=67636/339699/clone.jpg.  187 in the Bonafide might be a better fit at your size (in the abstract), but based on your description of your skiing and history, the 180 might be easier to manage and more fun for you. 

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Thread Starter 
I'm looking for something similar in purpose to the bonafides, just maybe a little cheaper. Although I might just bite the bullet and up the budget a bit.

Doing some more reading, it sounds like the bonafides are pretty stiff. What's something that might be a little more playful but not too soft? Line supernatural 100s? Salomon Q98? I was looking at the mantras as well. I'm thinking I might want something a little easier in the bumps. I know there's tons of threads here about all these and I've read most of them.

I'm actually heading out to CO in mid December so maybe if I have it narrowed down I can try and demo some since I haven't been on any of these yet.

Are there ever any Black Friday/cyber Monday deals from some of the big ski retailers on new skis?
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Are there ever any Black Friday/cyber Monday deals from some of the big ski retailers on new skis?

I'm not going to say you can't score a deal at any time from any shop, but dealers sign very strict dealer agreement forms which state that prices cannot be advertised below a specified price, called MAP, before a certain date. It is around Feb. 15th but can vary from season to season and brand to brand... so don't expect to see an advertised sale for black Friday.

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Originally Posted by Ebes1099 View Post


Doing some more reading, it sounds like the bonafides are pretty stiff. What's something that might be a little more playful but not too soft? Line supernatural 100s? Salomon Q98? I was looking at the mantras as well. I'm thinking I might want something a little easier in the bumps. I know there's tons of threads here about all these and I've read most of them.

Not that stiff. I'm 15 pounds lighter than you, not particularly fast (some would say damn slow) and I don't find them too stiff. 

Like the man says, advertised prices on this year's skis are going to be the same everywhere, with discounts a couple of times during the season--seems like they price drops every month starting in mid February. REI seems to be able to discount about a week before everyone else--I assume because of volume.  Last year's skis are usually discounted a little or a lot, but popular skis in popular sizes--like Bonafides-- will sell out before they go on sale

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post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 

Any thoughts on the Atomic Automatic 102s? I can find them for a little cheaper than the bonafides.

post #10 of 13
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Threads like this is exactly why I do my "Steals $ Deals" but there aren't any skis for $499-599 that can be expected to ski like a one of the top performing $699 skis though. If the Bonafide is the ski you want…get the Bonafide, nothing worse than settling for an inferior product just because of price, because in the long run you will just end up selling it, loosing money and just buying the product you wanted in the first place anyway and in the meantime you are skiing on a ski you didn't want to be on in the first place wasting half the season. With that said if you MUST save $$ and you have sold all the plasma and other bodily fluids that you could, you can save a whole fiddy bucks and get the Line Supernatural 100 which is indeed a worthy competitor to the Bonafide. 

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

I ended up picking up a pair of the Bonafide's in a 180 since I got a somewhat deal on them. Didn't pay the full $699. Also, picked up a set of Salomon STH2 WTR 13 bindings that I'll be having mounted on them.

 

Thanks for all the help guys.

 

Now it's on to boots, which I'm thinking I'll have one of the local places here in MSP fit me for.

post #12 of 13

Hi,

I am shorter than you (6.0) and 5lb heavier, 

I have exactly the same set up as you do and love it a lot. 

May be 187 would be better ski, but I think you would have more fun on 180 especially in the trees and where you need to turn on a dime.

 

Re: ski boots.. I would wait till you get to Colorado and go there to the good store/boot fitter and see what the guy (or girl) could recommend you (if you are on the budget, ask for last or last+last year models, as long as it fits your foot correctly)

 

I think there are a lot of great boots and for your height and weight, you probably should start looking anywhere from the flex 110, but again the good boot fitter could give you much better suggestion. ("Good boot fitter" is a key word in prev. sentence).

post #13 of 13

Can't you find a left over Bonafide from last year or 2 years ago or 3 years ago much cheaper? That ski really hasn't changed at all.  Plenty of places were blowing them out for $375 or cheaper last spring.  Even if retail stock is gone, you can probably find someone who bought them on a whim but doesn't want them.  Check the used gear section, might get lucky there.

 

I like the idea of the Ranger. But it is a much different ski than the Bonafide; no metal, softer, very playful in variable snow, can be overpowered by a fast, skilled skier. Would be a great AT choice.  If you want to compare to the Bone, look at the Motive 96. For guys like me who are good technical skiers but don't way a ton, it works even better; the tail is a bit stronger, the tip is more supple, the ski feels more willing to be skied.  If you have skied the Bonafide and really like it, then just get that ski, look for a prior year's model.  If you haven't, then you might as well demo anyways, so you can narrow it down.  

 

I am in agreement, get what you want.  You are throwing your money away by just buying something because it is cheap.  Spend the money once and do it right.  

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