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*sigh*...not another East Coast ski thread :) [own 2013 Bonafide 180cm]

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Thread Starter 

Hello EpicSkiers,

I’m a 50 year old, 5’10”, 220lb athletic East Coast skier. I currently own a pair of 2013 Bonafides (180). My previous skis, which I had for about 10 years, were the K2 ModX at about 184 (I think). I loved the energy of the ModX, until the snow got chunky and they began to feel like I was riding a Pogo stick. I purchased the Bonafides to alleviate the problem, and alleviate the problem they did. Very stable, fast and smooth through the worst chunky stuff you can imagine. On the wide runs here in the east, they are incredible, feel surprisingly narrow underfoot and are quicker edge-to-edge than I would expect for a ski that is so wide. They’ve opened up runs to me that would have given me pause on my old skis. I truly love the skis, except for a couple of things- they’re tricky in tight areas (no surprise) and lack rebound energy (also no surprise).

I know, I know…what did you think you were going to get with a ski that could handle the crud? I get it. Be that as it may, I’d still like to find a ski that can turn a bit tighter on the narrow hills, allow me to dance a bit more, and still handle the crud that blooms early every morning on the east coast runs. With that in mind, I’ve been lurking in the forums, getting an idea on which skis to look at, and I’ve compiled a list to demo next month.

Blizzard Brahma (~180)

Atomic Crimson TI (~180)

Magnum 8.5TI (~180…though I haven’t been able to find this ski on the Blizzard site so I’m not sure it’s even available anymore)

Nordica Steadfast (~180…also not sure if it’s available anymore)

Nordica Nrgy 90 (~180)…but I haven’ read as much about these skis as the others.

 

So this is my list. I think it’s a good one, but would appreciate any advice on other skis to demo. However, one of my biggest concerns is my weight. I’m a heavy guy and am very concerned about picking up skis that I would overpower  in a turn. I’m a pretty decent technical skier, like a lot of varied turn shapes and speeds… but do appreciate a bit more forgiveness when the crud blooms and my legs get cooked.

I know I’m asking a lot, and I understand compromises must be made. I appreciate the experience on this site and value your input.

Thanks!

Andy

post #2 of 24
Are you replacing the Bonafides or supplementing them?
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 

I haven't decided yet. I really can't see myself dragging around additional skis for whatever conditions turn up, and I could always use the extra cash from selling the Bone's to supplement the cost of new skis...on the other hand, they are great skis, and paid for free and clear....so I'm on the fence about it right now...

post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by vichamr8 View Post
 

Hello EpicSkiers,

I’m a 50 year old, 5’10”, 220lb athletic East Coast skier. I currently own a pair of 2013 Bonafides (180). My previous skis, which I had for about 10 years, were the K2 ModX at about 184 (I think). I loved the energy of the ModX, until the snow got chunky and they began to feel like I was riding a Pogo stick. I purchased the Bonafides to alleviate the problem, and alleviate the problem they did. Very stable, fast and smooth through the worst chunky stuff you can imagine. On the wide runs here in the east, they are incredible, feel surprisingly narrow underfoot and are quicker edge-to-edge than I would expect for a ski that is so wide. They’ve opened up runs to me that would have given me pause on my old skis. I truly love the skis, except for a couple of things- they’re tricky in tight areas (no surprise) and lack rebound energy (also no surprise).

I know, I know…what did you think you were going to get with a ski that could handle the crud? I get it. Be that as it may, I’d still like to find a ski that can turn a bit tighter on the narrow hills, allow me to dance a bit more, and still handle the crud that blooms early every morning on the east coast runs. With that in mind, I’ve been lurking in the forums, getting an idea on which skis to look at, and I’ve compiled a list to demo next month.

Blizzard Brahma (~180)

Atomic Crimson TI (~180)

Magnum 8.5TI (~180…though I haven’t been able to find this ski on the Blizzard site so I’m not sure it’s even available anymore)

Nordica Steadfast (~180…also not sure if it’s available anymore)

Nordica Nrgy 90 (~180)…but I haven’ read as much about these skis as the others.

 

So this is my list. I think it’s a good one, but would appreciate any advice on other skis to demo. However, one of my biggest concerns is my weight. I’m a heavy guy and am very concerned about picking up skis that I would overpower  in a turn. I’m a pretty decent technical skier, like a lot of varied turn shapes and speeds… but do appreciate a bit more forgiveness when the crud blooms and my legs get cooked.

I know I’m asking a lot, and I understand compromises must be made. I appreciate the experience on this site and value your input.

Thanks!

Andy

You are correct that the Blizzard Magnum is no longer available.  

Its hard to go wrong with the Brahma if you're replacing your Bones.

 

 @Philpug can easily explain the differences between the NRGy 90 and Brahma. 

post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 
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Originally Posted by vichamr8 View Post
 

Hello EpicSkiers,

I’m a 50 year old, 5’10”, 220lb athletic East Coast skier. I currently own a pair of 2013 Bonafides (180). My previous skis, which I had for about 10 years, were the K2 ModX at about 184 (I think). I loved the energy of the ModX, until the snow got chunky and they began to feel like I was riding a Pogo stick. I purchased the Bonafides to alleviate the problem, and alleviate the problem they did. Very stable, fast and smooth through the worst chunky stuff you can imagine. On the wide runs here in the east, they are incredible, feel surprisingly narrow underfoot and are quicker edge-to-edge than I would expect for a ski that is so wide. They’ve opened up runs to me that would have given me pause on my old skis. I truly love the skis, except for a couple of things- they’re tricky in tight areas (no surprise) and lack rebound energy (also no surprise).

I know, I know…what did you think you were going to get with a ski that could handle the crud? I get it. Be that as it may, I’d still like to find a ski that can turn a bit tighter on the narrow hills, allow me to dance a bit more, and still handle the crud that blooms early every morning on the east coast runs. With that in mind, I’ve been lurking in the forums, getting an idea on which skis to look at, and I’ve compiled a list to demo next month.

Blizzard Brahma (~180)

Atomic Crimson TI (~180)

Magnum 8.5TI (~180…though I haven’t been able to find this ski on the Blizzard site so I’m not sure it’s even available anymore)

Nordica Steadfast (~180…also not sure if it’s available anymore)

Nordica Nrgy 90 (~180)…but I haven’ read as much about these skis as the others.

 

So this is my list. I think it’s a good one, but would appreciate any advice on other skis to demo. However, one of my biggest concerns is my weight. I’m a heavy guy and am very concerned about picking up skis that I would overpower  in a turn. I’m a pretty decent technical skier, like a lot of varied turn shapes and speeds… but do appreciate a bit more forgiveness when the crud blooms and my legs get cooked.

I know I’m asking a lot, and I understand compromises must be made. I appreciate the experience on this site and value your input.

Thanks!

Andy

You are correct that the Blizzard Magnum is no longer available.  

Its hard to go wrong with the Brahma if you're replacing your Bones.

 

 @Philpug can easily explain the differences between the NRGy 90 and Brahma. 

The NRGy90 is more playful than the Brahma, better in the bumps and trees but not as good is the on the firm conditions and at speed. For you being a bigger guy, I would suggest the Brahma out of these two. If price is no object and you are replacing the Bonafides, the Kastle MX88 is a great option. Personally, i didn't like the Steadfast nearly as much as I like the Brahma or NRGy90, it just felt planky and unresponsive. 

post #6 of 24
The 98 that would have done the trick might have been the Hell and Back, but the Brahma would be a good choice.
post #7 of 24

I'm a little confused about what our OP wants. For sure, I'd advise keeping the Bones as he really likes them. However, I read words like "narrow trails"," rebound" and "dance" that lead me to think he is looking for a narrower carving ski, and, to me, that would be somewhere around 85 mm waist or less in typical eastern hard snow conditions. I'm also a confused about the word "crud" as it applies to morning eastern conditions which are more "hard crappy". The term Crud generally applies to leftover older soft snow which we don't see in the east, and, in which the Bones should be great. Were I to recommend a Kastle, the 83 or 78 would be a great second ski. My opinion, but, there is not that much difference between Bones the and Kastle 88. If the OP wanted one ski, then the Kastle 88 would rule, and, there are less expensive 88 options.

 

A personal disclaimer, as a proponent of narrow carving skis in the east,, I'm sort of a dinosaur. But, I do like to dance on narrow trails with skis that give plenty of rebound.

post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

You are correct that the Blizzard Magnum is no longer available.  

 

 

Well, to be clear, it's no longer available as a new 2015 ski. I'm pretty certain you can still find new old stock 2014s if you want them, not to mention used ones.

post #9 of 24

Brahma from Yo Momma! :).......... even though this year I went w/ the Rossi E88's. I'll never give up the Bones though. Love that ski as an everyday east coast ride.

post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 

Wow...thanks for all the replies...I really appreciate the turnaround time!

 

I was adding a little flourish to my writing when I stated "...crud that blooms early every morning..". Sorry for the confusion. I simply meant that it doesn't take long for the runs to become choppy, and with my bum knee ( I wear a brace on my left knee when I ski) I would prefer to stay with a ski that will allow me to blast through whatever lay in my path without having to worry about blowing out my knee.. The Bone's have been great for that, but I miss some of the rebound I used to get from my K2s. I can get it from the Bone's, but it requires a bit more speed and larger turns, which can get tricky on a busy day in the east. I'm pretty much looking for something with the cruddy snow attributes of the Bone's, but with a bit quicker edge to edge responsiveness. It's a bit tricky (or it seems to be) to find skis that will accommodate my weight, but It sounds like the Brahma will fit the bill....now I just have to decide, if I get the Brahma's, should I sell my Bone's since they seem to be very similar skis?

Thanks everyone!

post #11 of 24

With no basis in real experience myself, I have hear the Brahma described several times as "an 88mm wide Bonafide".  

Maybe buy the Brahma's and then decide if you keep the Bones.

post #12 of 24

The 2 best of the crowd are the magnum (still available on the net:  powder7) and the brahma! They are really really nice skis!!! The magnum will be a notch more in the performance dptmt and the Brahma, a little more forgiving but they are not too much far apart...

They can both carve really good, have great edge hold and are really nice too in bumps, trees, fresh, crud and spring like conditions...

 

My best skis for blasting thru crud are the M-power 8.7 but they have less snap than the other 2... You could always go for a M-Power 8.5... There is still a 180 cm pair for sale at the shop nearby...

 

 

 

Forget the energy serie at your weight and the Steadfast would be too light for what you want in crud... and yes, you could sell your Bonafide if you don't go really off piste... to pay for the Brahma/ magnum or to buy a larger ski like the Patron to really complement your 88-85 mm skis!!! ;)

btw I'm also 215 pounds eastern skier

post #13 of 24

I am not expert but wouldn't any ski that is close the the waist of the Bonifide but wider in the shovel and heel do the trick for you as long as the other specs of the ski were similar to the Bonifide?

post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 

You're suggesting a ski with a wider shovel and tail, but still a 98 underfoot...right?

I'm not sure that would provide the edge-to-edge quickness I'm looking for...or if such a creature exists. I'd have to do more research.

post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks Philpug.

If I could find a pair of 8.5TIs, do you think they'd be able to handle my weight and/or serve as more of a frontside option to my Bonafide's or Brahmas (if I choose to purchase a pair).

post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by vichamr8 View Post
 

Thanks Philpug.

If I could find a pair of 8.5TIs, do you think they'd be able to handle my weight and/or serve as more of a frontside option to my Bonafide's or Brahmas (if I choose to purchase a pair).

The 8.5Ti just does not have the "pop" and playfulness of the Brahma, I think this is one of the reasons that it lasted only one generation, plus the fact that it was $749 were the Brahma is $649. Will it do what you ant? sure, but I think the Brahma is the Bonefide you were looking for. 

post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks for clearing that up for me Philpug.

I'm not a racer, but was enthralled with the speed I could get on the Bonafide...would you say the Brahma is similar in that regard as well?

post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by vichamr8 View Post

Thanks for clearing that up for me Philpug.
I'm not a racer, but was enthralled with the speed I could get on the Bonafide...would you say the Brahma is similar in that regard as well?

I think this is exactly and without question what he's saying.
post #19 of 24

I've really liked the Salomon Enduros for their dancing manners, crud busting, and speed stability. About the only thing they are a little short on is float in the deep stuff. I just got Bonafides myself - and for me it was a tossup between those and the Enduros. I decided on the Bonafides after trying them out and feeling like they were playful enough from edget to edge for me, and more versatile due to their width than the Enduros. 

post #20 of 24

A 98 mm for the east coast when you already have a bonafide?  Total waste... Keep the bonafide and go with something slimmer ( from 75 to 88 mm)...

post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hi mogsie,

Are you referring to the Brahma's? 

The Brahma's are 88 underfoot. 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

The 8.5Ti just does not have the "pop" and playfulness of the Brahma, I think this is one of the reasons that it lasted only one generation, plus the fact that it was $749 were the Brahma is $649. Will it do what you ant? sure, but I think the Brahma is the Bonefide you were looking for. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by vichamr8 View Post
 

Thanks for clearing that up for me Philpug.

I'm not a racer, but was enthralled with the speed I could get on the Bonafide...would you say the Brahma is similar in that regard as well?

 

 

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I think this is exactly and without question what he's saying.

 

Wait a minute philpug and markojp, are you saying that the Brahma skis just like the Bone, like the same ski only it's 88 instead of 98, that it is it's little brother, that it's the ideal east coast all mt ski while the Bone is the ideal west coast ski, that it may not float or handle crud quite like the bone but still rips, that it is just as stable but a tad more nimble, that it....

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Originally Posted by Eric S View Post
 

 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

The 8.5Ti just does not have the "pop" and playfulness of the Brahma, I think this is one of the reasons that it lasted only one generation, plus the fact that it was $749 were the Brahma is $649. Will it do what you ant? sure, but I think the Brahma is the Bonefide you were looking for. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by vichamr8 View Post
 

Thanks for clearing that up for me Philpug.

I'm not a racer, but was enthralled with the speed I could get on the Bonafide...would you say the Brahma is similar in that regard as well?

 

 

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


I think this is exactly and without question what he's saying.

 

Wait a minute philpug and markojp, are you saying that the Brahma skis just like the Bone, like the same ski only it's 88 instead of 98, that it is it's little brother, that it's the ideal east coast all mt ski while the Bone is the ideal west coast ski, that it may not float or handle crud quite like the bone but still rips, that it is just as stable but a tad more nimble, that it....

I guess that might be one way to interpret why we said….Nahhhhh. 

post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

The 8.5Ti just does not have the "pop" and playfulness of the Brahma, I think this is one of the reasons that it lasted only one generation, plus the fact that it was $749 were the Brahma is $649. Will it do what you ant? sure, but I think the Brahma is the Bonefide you were looking for. 

The 8.5 has been there for 2 years and the only reason it is not there anymore is because Blizzard is putting all their money on their bull serie!

And yes it doesn't have the playfulness of the Brahma but it has even more pop than the Brahma. It's just that you need a little more speed or work to get there...

 

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Originally Posted by vichamr8 View Post
 

Hi mogsie,

Are you referring to the Brahma's? 

The Brahma's are 88 underfoot. 

The Brahma, the magnum 8.5 ti, the Elan 88...

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