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Powder Skis or All Mt Skis for Med-Deep Powder Between Trees [Mt Bohemia],Crud as Well. Advice?

post #1 of 27
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Hey, I'm new to these forums, but I really need some advice on what pair of skis I should get. A majority of my skiing will be at a place called Mount Bohemia in the U.P., and it gets a whole crapton of powder, but there are also days where the snow can be a little crappier. I've been skiing on a wimpy old pair of atomic e7's that were probably close to 160 cm, and I'm not sure what to get for powder. Mount Bohemia is all backcountry, all ungroomed runs, with lots of trees everywhere. I skied there last year on my e7's and I LOVED the powder and the place but I HATED how hard I had to work to keep my 70ish mm underfoot skis from totally sinking in the snow, and I really want a pair of floaty, controllable, awesome powder skis/all mountain skis that will get the job done. I have a list of some skis I have looked at that I thought might do the trick, anybody have any input on which skis I should get?



 



(Also, if the skis i get would work decently well on crud/get through decently hardpacked, that would be chill, but i realize that might be unrealistic?)



 



I am 5'6 ish and 140 lb, and my only experience with deep powder ever has been bohemia a few times last year on some skis that were not meant for it, but I have a lot of non-powder experience and am very comfortable on black and double black diamonds (*in minnesota) and pretty much all the runs at bohemia. 



 



Price is also a concern! Ideally i was looking to spend around 3-400 without bindings, obviously the cheaper the better, but I would still be willing to bite the bullet and go over 400 if I knew I was going to have a kickass time on the skis I get.



 



Here's my current list:



 



Dynastar Cham 107



Blizzard Cochise



Line Mr. Pollard's Opus



Kastle xx110 West



line sick day 110



4frnt justice



Black Diamond AMPerage



Line Influence 115 (not sure which year)



Rossignol Super 7's



Salomon Q-115



Elan Spectrum 115 (just throwing that out there, I can't find much on it)



Anything you guys think would work well for this!!



 



ALSO!!! I was wondering if I should wait until black friday, and see if there are any cyber monday/black friday deals going on, but I'm not sure... Thanks guys, I really like the forums I've read so far, hopefully this can help me out!



 



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post #2 of 27

I skied the Influence 105s a couple seasons back. I'm not much of a Line guy, but the Influence was a nice ride. You're surely going to get guys in this forum who are going to champion uber fat skis, but I'm not one of them. Unless I was heli/cat skiing in three feet of virgin blower I don't ride a mm wider than 110. You should put the Nordica El Capo on your radar. You should be able to pick up a pair for $399 somewhere. Backcountry.com is holding 169cm for that price. Get it. The ski is dope.

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post #4 of 27
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Hmm, those both sound awesome! I have actually taken a look at the el capos, I just didn't throw them on the list because I had already added so many skis to it, but those sound nice too. castledave, that looks like a kickass deal! my only question about the influence 115 is which year would I go with; I read a review on blister on the 13-14 and 11-12's. Also, another ski that I am unsure about: the Rossignol Sickle. I read somewhere on one of these forums that it might do well on bohemia... any thoughts? Thanks for the quick responses! Still deciding, also a note: I would prefer a ski that is a little more 'playful', I don't think I am much of a hard driver, I suppose I do like to plow through the snow sometimes, but I don't consider myself an extremely aggressive skier, I like to be a little more cautious when zipping through the trees. Also, I am planning on keeping my old pair of atomics for use on groomed, hardpacked snow as they work pretty well for it, so this doesn't necessarily need to be a one ski quiver, although some versatility couldn't hurt.

post #5 of 27

I haven't been to Bohemia (although I got lost and ended up in Houghton one time) but have seen pictures. Seems to me you need something quick for darting in and out and not a big mountain charger. I ski the Cochise and would eliminate it from the list. I ski with a guy with the Influence 115 and even  though I posted a link I'd eliminate that one too. The Opus and the Super 7 are going to be very maneuverable so would work well although with a definite speed limit for more wide open hills. The Sick Day 110 would be more versatile, still quick, higher speed limit but not as 'pivoty' in the trees. Cheapest I've seen that ski is $570 with Griffons but in a shortish 172 but I haven't looked very hard. I don't know the other skis well enough to comment.

post #6 of 27

Buy the sickle.

post #7 of 27

I'm a guy, close to your size (150#, 5'7"), and here's a summary of my reactions to trying various skis last winter:

http://www.epicski.com/t/119277/ex-racer-demos-modern-skis-titan-rev85-rtm84-kendo-proph98-finds-himself-delighted-and-confused/180#post_1732539

 

You're much lighter than most of the guys that reply to ski recommendation requests on this forum, so it's important to get recommendations from someone close to your size.   Also, you should tell us if you're a man or woman, since that could influence recommendations because of differences in muscle mass for the same weight.

 

If you're willing to give up some versatility, I found the 176 cm Volkl One a solid yet playful ski (I bought it).  If you want to stay under 110 mm, I've heard good things about the Head Sacrifice (~105 mm, discontinued, so would be cheap if you can find it), but have not been on it myself.  You might also like the Nordica Vagabond.   I didn't like the Sick Day 95, because I found it way too soft in the forebody.  Not sure if the 110 is different.  At the same time, at your weight, and particularly for powder, you want to be careful not to get something that's too stiff.  You'd probably want to avoid anything with metal sheets in it.   But your skiing may be very different from mine.   The absolutely best way to go would be to demo.  [Also: because of differences in our weight and experience, you may prefer the next step down in length vs. what I chose.]

 

If you're interested in a Nordica, Start Haus still has some 2014 models at their blem sale:  http://starthaus.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=nordica+blem+sale

You might want to give them a call and ask if any of them would be suitable.


Edited by chemist - 11/10/14 at 6:12pm
post #8 of 27

These skis are not in my wheelhouse, so I can't comment specifically.  But I think Chemist is on to something.  At your size and for your purpose, you want a light, playful ski -- not a big mountain charger.  The Cochise is definitely too big/strong for you.  I know something about Bohemia, and I wonder if you really need a "powder" ski.  I bet you will end up skiing more cut-up and crud than true fresh powder.  


I don't know that I'd go much wider than 105 or so; at some point you lose quickness in the bumps that will eventually form.  I'd stay away from anything with metal in it.  The Rossi 7 sounds ballpark right...but I"m sure there are others. K2 Shreditor series?

post #9 of 27
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Oh, I'm a dude BTW. The sickles seem to be calling my name, there's just something about them, but idk... the full rocker might be a little bit sketchy? How much control do you lose on an open, well-skied or over-skied (but still initially powder) run with full rocker on a ski like that? Would the Super 7's be a better bet for me then, or a good bet at all for that matter? They've got a rocker/camber/rocker thing going on, how would you guys compare the two, or another ski that you think would work? I'm really digging the sickle, but unsure about the full rocker. I just read that they are very forgiving and they seem like a great ski to learn to ski POW on. Further thoughts? I know I said I can use my other skis for hard pack and whatnot, but I probably won't want to use those on bohemia even in crud if I can, so I would like to make sure I have enough control if the hill gets overskied or turns into a crappy snow day.

 

Chemist, you said on your thread you didn't like the super 7's, but were you skiing in powder, and what were you doing with them? Also, the volkl one looks like a good option, but could possibly be a little spendy. The vagabond looks really neat, a bit pricey, but sounds like a really cool ski.

 

So right now my favorite option would be the sickle, but I just took another look at the super 7's and they seemed neat. When I was first looking at skis, I really liked the idea of Mr. Pollard's Opus, but that would be way too huge of a ski for somebody my size, correct? 

 

BINDINGS- should I buy them with whatever skis I get? Or should I buy separate if it is cheaper, OR should I ruin another pair of skis I have lying around somewhere back home and steal those bindings?

 

Okay, the more I read about the sickle, the more I really like it, it's review on blister is pretty great. How does the sickle sound?

post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 

Tch- Yeah, I guess I'm not totally positive that I need a "powder" ski, which is why i initially was looking for an all-mountain ski that handles powder really, really well, or a powder ski that sort of behaves more like an all mountain ski when it needs to. Bohemia does get quite a bit of powder but you're right, it gets pretty chopped up in places and can get uneven and chunky in places. But I don't want that to detract too much from my experience on the days where I go and it is awesome powder in the morning, I would really like an opportunity to learn to ski on awesome powder, and to have a ski that can handle it. The sickle seemed decent. Originally I was thinking the cham 107 was going to be able to do that, but i felt like that might not be able to glide through the powder days the way I really want to. I want an awesome ski for a guy my size that excels in powder but can still handle the chop and bumps bohemia might throw at me, but that also lets me navigate through the tight trees carefully and enjoyably. I just want to zip through the trees and the powder easily when I can, and get through the crud and chop decently well when I have to.

post #11 of 27
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Chemist, you said on your thread you didn't like the super 7's, but were you skiing in powder, and what were you doing with them? 

Re-read the ">110 MM" section of my post carefully; if you still have questions, let me know.

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Oh, I'm a dude BTW. The sickles seem to be calling my name, there's just something about them, but idk... the full rocker might be a little bit sketchy? How much control do you lose on an open, well-skied or over-skied (but still initially powder) run with full rocker on a ski like that? Would the Super 7's be a better bet for me then, or a good bet at all for that matter? They've got a rocker/camber/rocker thing going on, how would you guys compare the two, or another ski that you think would work? I'm really digging the sickle, but unsure about the full rocker. I just read that they are very forgiving and they seem like a great ski to learn to ski POW on. Further thoughts? I know I said I can use my other skis for hard pack and whatnot, but I probably won't want to use those on bohemia even in crud if I can, so I would like to make sure I have enough control if the hill gets overskied or turns into a crappy snow day.

 

 

The full rocker works great on the Sickle.  Not sketchy at all, even at relatively high speed on groomers, cut up or skied out powder.  They did the rocker right on the Sickle, unlike the S3 and S7 which I didn't like in those conditions because they were too sketchy for me.  I haven't been on the Super 7 for comparison.

 

Did you read through the Sickle threads here?

http://www.epicski.com/t/124341/rossignol-sickle-181

http://www.epicski.com/t/122346/powder-crud-ski-recommendations-on-a-budget

http://www.epicski.com/t/108039/rossi-sickle-186cm-on-going-review

 

You should be able to get the 171 on STP for about $300 with a coupon.   Hard to pass up.  I couldn't, so I bought a backup pair of 181's.  My two buddies who tried my Sickles also bought some.  Just get 'em.  :)

post #13 of 27

Hey Bohemia I have the 12/13 181 sickle and to me it is a perfect ski for what you want to do ( and of course so are a bunch of other skis.....)I believe you can find the 10/11 blue and black sickle,the one blister talks about,106 waist skinnier tip than mine in a 170 something,their out of the 180 something.Go with your gut and buy that sickle.You will not be dissapointed.

post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 

Okay, I'm really digging the sickle!! The question is, which sickle should I get!? (11-12 or 12-13?) and where would be the best place to find them, or do you think I could find any cyber monday/black friday deals on them? I'm excited, I think that's the ski for me. Does anyone have any reasons why the sickle wouldn't be an awesome choice for my situation? Thanks guys! Still technically deciding, but I'm pretty sure now!

post #15 of 27

Is it true the 2011-2012 Sickle was different widths for the 174 (106mm) and 186 (110mm)?   It seems that way based on the blister reviews:

 

174 review: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/rossignol-sickle

186 review: http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/review-2011-2012-rossignol-sickle-2010-2011-rossignol-s6-186cm

 

Is the 2012-2013 171 Sickle also 106mm underfoot?  If that's the case, then I'd just go with the cheapest you can find.   The 171 vs. 174 length doesn't matter, as they just blunted the tip and measured differently between the years from all I've read.

 

If the 2012-2013 171 is actually 111mm underfoot, like the 181, then I'd go with that for the extra width.  I'm seeing conflicting info online about the 106mm vs. 111mm for the 2012-2013 171, so not sure.

 

To get a deal from STP, just wait until a 40% or 45% off coupon comes out that applies to those skis.   I think 40% off is pretty often (every week or so), but 45% off is pretty rare (might be a month or so).  You can call them to find out how much stock is left for intel on if you need to pull the trigger.

post #16 of 27

@bohemiafreak I updated my review of the Sickle in the other thread and wanted to make sure you saw it:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/124341/rossignol-sickle-181#post_1788653

post #17 of 27
What is STP?
post #18 of 27


Sierra Trading Post.

post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 

Hey!! I am ready to pull the trigger except for one thing: If i get the sickle, which I was leaning towards, I'm, not sure whether to get the 11-12 or 12-13, and also, a buddy of mine recommended the Armada TST, which is a little spendier but also totally awesome!! Hmm... Also if anybody finds any awesome deals on either of those skis let me know! Thanks guys, I appreciate it!

post #20 of 27

I am also new to these forums and also looking for a new pair of skis for Mt Bohemia. I was curious what people thought of the Volkl Bridge skis, a full rocker and wide waist ski. I am 6'1" but 220. Bases on most reviews they seem to be great all mountain ski. What are your opinions?

post #21 of 27

I am also an intermediate skier. Just looking for a ski to take every from groomers, powder, moguls ect. 

post #22 of 27
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I am also new to these forums and also looking for a new pair of skis for Mt Bohemia. I was curious what people thought of the Volkl Bridge skis, a full rocker and wide waist ski. I am 6'1" but 220. Bases on most reviews they seem to be great all mountain ski. What are your opinions?


The Bridge is a seriously awesome and versatile ski. It performs way beyond its waist width in powder, can rail groomers, handles crud and bumps well, and you can even take it a bit into the park. That said it still won't have the float of something +/- 110 range esp at your weight. If you spend more time frontside on groomers the waist width of the Bridge will probably be better. If you're gonna hit up more powder but still want that volkl ELP rocker take a look at the Gotamas another very versatile ski.

post #23 of 27
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Buy the sickle.

Second this, buy the sickle.  I own this ski, and though I haven't been to Bohemia yet (will this season) I think it would perform very well in the conditions there. 

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179 Influence 115 with px 12s for $399 free shipping

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Line-Influence-115-179cm-Mens-Ski-w-AXL2-120-XXL-Binding-/191372265566?pt=Skiing&hash=item2c8ead085e

 

I'm usually a "go long" guy but that seems like a lot of ski for a 140lb tree skier.  I like the idea of going with a Line ski though.

post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hey, I pulled the trigger and bought the 12-13 sickle with some look px 12 bindings, I will let you guys know how they perform and the actual dimensions! Thanks a bunch guys!
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Congrats, I think you made the right choice.

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I'm usually a "go long" guy but that seems like a lot of ski for a 140lb tree skier.  I like the idea of going with a Line ski though.

I agree totally. I just posted that because they were on his list. The Sickles will be much much better.

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