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post #31 of 45
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I want basically a stripped platform. NO electronic crap at all. Hell, I'd get crank up windows if I could. For me there is nothing worse than the car doing things for me. If I want it to do something I'll select the button, switch or lever. It must perform at a very competent level and be FUN doing it. THAT is what a car must do for me.


Maybe if folks were a bit more engaged with the actual operation of their cars they'd have less time for texting, reading, putting on make-up, eating breakfast, etc, etc.


Enjoy it while you can. In the next few years, semi-self-driving and self-driving cars will arrive. In all likelihood, they will have an effective accident rate of zero. The insurance game, to the extent it survives, will change. Given the efficiency differences between self-driving and human driven cars, there may well be a licensing differential as well.  I'd imagine that anyone wanting to "drive" themselves in ten years will pay a many thousand dollar (five? ten?...) annual premium for the privilege. And many of those other functions will be controlled by voice - so forget rolling up your window, maybe they won't even have a button biggrin.gif

This is why it's good that we die after our three score years and ten or whatever. Too hard to deal with what seem like insane changes, that the kids will shrug off or embrace.
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This is why it's good that we die after our three score years and ten or whatever. Too hard to deal with what seem like insane changes, that the kids will shrug off or embrace.


Indeed. I have recently been wondering if telomeres are the pinnacle of evolutionary efficiency in this context  :D 

post #33 of 45
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Enjoy it while you can. In the next few years, semi-self-driving and self-driving cars will arrive. In all likelihood, they will have an effective accident rate of zero. The insurance game, to the extent it survives, will change. Given the efficiency differences between self-driving and human driven cars, there may well be a licensing differential as well.  I'd imagine that anyone wanting to "drive" themselves in ten years will pay a many thousand dollar (five? ten?...) annual premium for the privilege. And many of those other functions will be controlled by voice - so forget rolling up your window, maybe they won't even have a button :D

 

We if it comes to that, and I'm not sure it will as quickly as you might imagine, I'll pay it if I've got it.

Even motos have been getting a lot of offensive electronic overrides in the last few years. I've got a fair stash built up though and could make a go of it for

another few decades as is me thinks :D

post #34 of 45
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Enjoy it while you can. In the next few years, semi-self-driving and self-driving cars will arrive. In all likelihood, they will have an effective accident rate of zero. The insurance game, to the extent it survives, will change. Given the efficiency differences between self-driving and human driven cars, there may well be a licensing differential as well.  I'd imagine that anyone wanting to "drive" themselves in ten years will pay a many thousand dollar (five? ten?...) annual premium for the privilege. And many of those other functions will be controlled by voice - so forget rolling up your window, maybe they won't even have a button :D


Forget that. In a few years we won't even need tires.

 

post #35 of 45

For my next car, it's all about getting rid of the obsolete technology where auto manufacturers are really lagging behind.  So, I will not buy it unless it has Android Auto, and I'm really hoping I can hold out until something without an ICE works for me.

 

I want to do everything with voice commands, the current in-car systems I've seen just aren't good enough in that respect even for their primary purpose (navigation), let alone other things like putting on a particular music playlist that I've curated or sending someone a text.  I just use my phone + bluetooth for everything right now, but it sure would be nice if the factory head unit's display and most of its functionality wasn't totally useless to me.  In fact, why can't I just say "ok car, set cruise control to 70 mph" or "ok car, slide the driver's seat back one inch"?  This should all be standard on all cars as of a couple years ago, I shouldn't have to fidget around with a rental car trying to figure out the controls.

 

And as far as the ICE goes, it really seems like a last resort to buy one nowadays given how much more enjoyable good EVs are to drive, and all the extra crap and complexity that has to go into an ICE car.  The slow adoption of EV seems crazy given how viable they've proven to be and how superior they are, if the traditional auto companies had any foresight at all this is something they should have been at the forefront of, at least trying to match Elon Musk tit for tat.  If the Model 3 comes out before I need to replace my current car, has an AWD model, and isn't too small, I'm going to be all over that.

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And as far as the ICE goes, it really seems like a last resort to buy one nowadays given how much more enjoyable good EVs are to drive, and all the extra crap and complexity that has to go into an ICE car.  The slow adoption of EV seems crazy given how viable they've proven to be and how superior they are, if the traditional auto companies had any foresight at all this is something they should have been at the forefront of, at least trying to match Elon Musk tit for tat.  If the Model 3 comes out before I need to replace my current car, has an AWD model, and isn't too small, I'm going to be all over that.

 

Tesla not giving the customer 'right to repair' is still a deal breaker for me.

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Tesla not giving the customer 'right to repair' is still a deal breaker for me.

 

Tesla getting the government to offer subsidies to wealthy buyers is a big turn off for me. I can't call it a deal breaker because I don't have the $100k or so it takes to buy the car and get the government kick back subsidy.

post #38 of 45
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Tesla is the modern Tucker. What they have done by introducing a completely new automobile that is a world class leader in the short time they did it, is simply amazing. I think it is incredible what they have done and what I think we will see out of them in the future. Like Dano, they are out of my budget range but there are members here who are in their wheelhouse, I think we will see Tesla's coming down market in the future and will become more common. But seeing the performance these cars are capable, they are getting the respect from all facets of car lovers from luxury, to economy to performance, a rare trifecta. 

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Tesla is the modern Tucker. What they have done by introducing a completely new automobile that is a world class leader in the short time they did it, is simply amazing. I think it is incredible what they have done and what I think we will see out of them in the future. Like Dano, they are out of my budget range but there are members here who are in their wheelhouse, I think we will see Tesla's coming down market in the future and will become more common. But seeing the performance these cars are capable, they are getting the respect from all facets of car lovers from luxury, to economy to performance, a rare trifecta. 

I've seen quite a few Teslas around home, but I just got back from LA last night, and wow there are so many of them there. No big surprise, really, I guess. 

 

(I also saw a Ford GT in Malibu)

 

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Tesla is the modern Tucker. What they have done by introducing a completely new automobile that is a world class leader in the short time they did it, is simply amazing. I think it is incredible what they have done and what I think we will see out of them in the future. Like Dano, they are out of my budget range but there are members here who are in their wheelhouse, I think we will see Tesla's coming down market in the future and will become more common. But seeing the performance these cars are capable, they are getting the respect from all facets of car lovers from luxury, to economy to performance, a rare trifecta. 


Sorry but couldn't be less interested regardless of the price. Electric, no thanks. I laugh every time I pull up next to a Prius. Talk about different views of what driving is!

 

 Hell, they don't even look good.

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Tesla is the modern Tucker. What they have done by introducing a completely new automobile that is a world class leader in the short time they did it, is simply amazing. I think it is incredible what they have done and what I think we will see out of them in the future. Like Dano, they are out of my budget range but there are members here who are in their wheelhouse, I think we will see Tesla's coming down market in the future and will become more common. But seeing the performance these cars are capable, they are getting the respect from all facets of car lovers from luxury, to economy to performance, a rare trifecta. 


Sorry but couldn't be less interested regardless of the price. Electric, no thanks. I laugh every time I pull up next to a Prius. Talk about different views of what driving is!

 

 Hell, they don't even look good.

They ain't no Prius. I am not sure how you can question AWD, room for your gear and 0-60 in right around 3 seconds. When they figure a way to get the range of a fill tank of gas (4-500 miles) , I don't think there will be much that will be able to compare to it. I have never been a fan of current hybrids, they are feel good technology but not sustainable. I do think Tesla is on to something for sure. 

post #43 of 45
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Sorry but couldn't be less interested regardless of the price. Electric, no thanks. I laugh every time I pull up next to a Prius. Talk about different views of what driving is!

 

 Hell, they don't even look good.

 

Gasoline engines have become very efficient, not only for improved power and fuel economy but emissions as well. In Vancouver B.C. the government has shut down the Air Care testing program because not enough cars were failing anymore.

 

Plug in electric cars are not the way to go. Unless they come up with a battery that charges quickly and gives hours of performance, there could be way too much demand on electricity output if EVs became widely used.

post #44 of 45
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They ain't no Prius. I am not sure how you can question AWD, room for your gear and 0-60 in right around 3 seconds. When they figure a way to get the range of a fill tank of gas (4-500 miles) , I don't think there will be much that will be able to compare to it. I have never been a fan of current hybrids, they are feel good technology but not sustainable. I do think Tesla is on to something for sure. 

 

I'm not questioning anything. An electric motor simply doesn't interest me. Charging batteries @ even 400 mile intervals (now only 170 miles with the current 30 minutes to charge) would be a huge no go too.

 

Sorry but make mine a 'suck, squeeze, bang, blow' :D

post #45 of 45

Nice but not deal breakers...

 

Manual transmission (used to be a deal breaker but so hard to find, flappy paddle is not a substitute)

Navigation, nice but not a deal breaker

Good audio system, I can buy aftermarket but

Seat a/c

USB sockets

Homelink garage door openers

Bluetooth

Parking beepers (as long as you can turn them off easily)

Rev matching on downshifts

Auto dim high beams

Adaptive head lights (move with the steering wheel)

Laminated glass

Hazard lights that go on under heavy braking

Triple flash turn signals

Hard to find/non-intuitive storage spots to stash an emergency $20 bill, sunglasses, etc.

Seat massage (we have ours set to automatically go on after 15 minutes of driving)

Heated windshield & wipers, especially nice in wetter climates like the PNW

Two sun visors, when you move one to the side window there is still another that you can put down on the windshield

Hill decent control, amazing on really steep slippery downhills

Adjustable air suspension to lower for access, raise for ground clearance.

Refrigerator--rarely use but

Brembo brakes because changing pads is so quick and easy

 

 

My biggest gripe with modern cars I've had is all the nooks and cranny's that water sits in and then leaks out after a wash.  I hate the water spots under the mirrors, at trim intersections, etc. I even blow the cars off with compressed air but drips continue!  I swear I am going to ask to take a car home and wash it before I commit to a sale.  Many cars have places that car washes always miss too.  Why doesn't anyone thing about this?

 

My second is the whole key-less thing.  I've had two wagons and two SUV's that have it.  Not one was programmable to open the locks when you open the rear hatch.  If I have the key in my pocket and open the rear to let the dog in, the family has to wait until I get to the door to get in. 

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