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2015 Gotama vs Bonafide vs Cochise

post #1 of 21
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Hey everyone, thanks for your help in buying my last set of skis - 2008 Volkl Gotama "The Gold Buddha". I loved those skis. I live in Colorado and found the 2008 to be the most versatile ski I could imagine. At 5'10" 165# I have skied everything and found this ski could do it all; knee deep powder, huge turns on steep groomers, and especially busting through heavy crud. I will say reviews comment they arent that lively. That maybe true. Can't say that they are very good on the bumps but I always thought it was just me. But then along comes rocker.... I need some advice on a new pair.

Last year I demoed Blizzard Bonafides on a trip to Bridger Bowl in Montana. I loved them! I had never heard of them before. Now I find out they are famous ( I don't spend much time researching gear unless I'm buying). I also find out that Gotamas don't get the accolades they used to, although Ski magazine 2015 rates them #2 in all mountain just after Rossi Soul 7's and Blizzards are further down the line.

I want a ski that feels super solid at high speed and will bust through chop at that same speed with confidence. I want to have fun in powder with nice buttery turns. I don't want squirrelly.

While I had a blast with the Bonafide and it did feel stable in spring skiing one day at Bridger Bowl, I am concerned that the 98mm waist is going to limit its powder fun which makes me wonder if the Cochise would be more to my liking.

I read commentary about "Volkl fans", not sure what that means but I always thought who wouldn't be. My 2008 Gotamas were the best ski on the planet, but now with the addition of rocker maybe they botched it all up??

Any thoughts here people? Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 21

The new 2015 Cochise is your answer. It is cambered slightly less than the Bonafide and it will give you the 108 float that you are looking for. 

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your advice!
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
Interestingly the Blizzard website says the Cochise has full rocker but then describes it as cambered underfoot. Perhaps as you say slight camber but not enough to call it fully cambered underfoot. They also say it is 15% softer. When I read that I thought "why did they have to do that?". Then I saw someone had posted on Blizzards Cochise web page " Who the hell wants softer skis?". Funny. Maybe they were plenty stiff to begin with and float better now.

Why aren't Gotamas getting more press? Maybe they just feel tired compared to other skis?
post #5 of 21
I ski last years gotama (2014) and I refuse to ski anything else. I just absolutely love the ski. I have a set of schizo bindings on them and they're a one ski fits all for me. If it's deep I run em -2 if I'm railing groomers I run em +1 and if I'm in the park I go +3. I have yet to find a day where theyve left me wanting for a different ski. I can't comment on the Cochise but it seems to have quite the following. For refrence Im 5-8 185# and on the aggressive side. I bought the goats for skiing bowls but I've quickly turned them into my daily drivers.
post #6 of 21
I have a friend who has the Gotamas, he got them as they were rated very high. He is an expert skier and felt they were a bit soft for him, he went and got a pair of Katanas, kept the Gotamas,but did not ski on them last year. The Gotamas are a good ski but at about +50mph on the front side they get some what unstable according to him. I think the Gotamas would be good for a lot of skiers as the handle well and turn easy, float well in powder.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by Jason Robertson View Post

I ski last years gotama (2014) and I refuse to ski anything else. I just absolutely love the ski. I have a set of schizo bindings on them and they're a one ski fits all for me. If it's deep I run em -2 if I'm railing groomers I run em +1 and if I'm in the park I go +3. I have yet to find a day where theyve left me wanting for a different ski. I can't comment on the Cochise but it seems to have quite the following. For refrence Im 5-8 185# and on the aggressive side. I bought the goats for skiing bowls but I've quickly turned them into my daily drivers.

You refuse to ski anything else because you like it so much or because you tried other skis and found them lacking? There is a difference. I tried the new Gotamas a couple years ago back to back with a few other 105s and found that I like them the least. They were easy to ski and very pivoty but lacked the stability and damping of the other skis. The standout fir me was the Cochise. One thing I can confirm is that the new Gotama skis nothing like the old Gotama. Frankly, it's the ski that coasts on its stellar reputation. I have not been on the new Cochise but based on what I've seen it should ski just like the previous Cochise. So yes, +1 to what Phil said.
post #8 of 21
When your old ladies a smoke show, I feel no need to wander.
post #9 of 21

When they added rocker to the Goats they became a different ski. The Cochise is probably a lot closer to your old Goats than the new Goat is. I've only skied the newer Goats and I thought they were squirrelly--I prefer a more solid ski that will hold an edge in that width.

post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

When they added rocker to the Goats they became a different ski. The Cochise is probably a lot closer to your old Goats than the new Goat is. I've only skied the newer Goats and I thought they were squirrelly--I prefer a more solid ski that will hold an edge in that width.

First sentence, true. Second, not so much. Have owned several older Gotamas, 2103 Cochise, have tried the new Goats. Original Gotamas were flexy, light, aimed at backside powder skiing, but superb in trees and tight spaces. They gradually got stiffer, by about 15% every couple of years, but even by 2009 were nowhere as stiff as the Cochise's, particularly at the ends (the cambered Goats were a classic torsion box design with moderate flex tips and tails). The Cochise's were not/are not powder skis; they're big mountain guns. Happiest maching bad snow, bit of a handful in bumps and tight spaces for this lighter skier, at least. 

 

Third sentence, agree. Cochises were flat - apparently now have a touch of camber -  but I found the flat camber versions sort of nervous when running flat, even with all the beef. I think what I felt as nervousness others call "greasy." Ditto for new Goats, but only had a couple of runs, so not a definitive take. The cambered Goats were never greasy or nervous, really nice on edge, actually; only issue I ever noticed was that the fronts could get knocked around at speed in heavy or stiff crud. Not a high speed missile.  

 

OP: I'm confused about your likes. I'm about your size, also owned the gold Gotamas. I find it odd that on the one hand you loved those skis, but on the other you loved the Bonafides. IMO, the closet approximation to a gold Goat is something like a Praxis Backcountry, or in Bonafide width, the BMX98, which has a lot of that feel but is a little damper. In 108, that'd be the BMX108 in 178. Notice the skis that I think replicate the Goat feel are, like that ski, all wood, and fairly light, with less sidecut than many modern designs. The Bonafide and Cochise have 2.5 sheets of metal. And deeper sidecuts more typical of modern rockered skis. So if you loved the Bones, then go with those or Phil's recs. But they have almost nothing to do with the Goats. :dunno


Edited by beyond - 11/16/14 at 9:18pm
post #11 of 21
I couldn't disagree more with the gotama no grip comment. Lay those babies over and they'll flat rip some trenches. I will admit my first run or two on these planks was a learning experience, they felt squirrley. After finding out what they wanted (a lot of edge angle) on groomers, they cut huge arcs with a great locked in feel. This ski forced me to become a better skier.When I'm playing and cruising with the family they're buttery and free smearing fun. When I'm serious and lay into the ski it produces monsterous smiles in any conditions from thigh deep fluff to cord...
Edited by Jason Robertson - 11/17/14 at 10:17am
post #12 of 21
OP, I have the black Goats from 2010, great ski, full camber. In 2011 I bought the Kendo full camber, softer tip. Last March I bought the 2011/2012 Shiro. Awesome ski, rocker, has good edge hold in the frozen Springtime AM snow at Killington, it would blast through the afternoon crud with ease.

You might find a good compromise with the Katana. Demo it. Being as they are rocker go up a lenght from what you normally ski.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
I would steal Mr. Robertson's description and apply to my own 2008 Goats. Solid high speed massive arcs on groomers or crud that can easily break in to quick confident turns at will. I have skied them preferentially over Line, Armada, or K2 powder skis in the backcountry off of snowmobiles many times simply because they were great.

To Beyond I would say...just because you date a brunette doesn't mean you couldn't love a blonde. I actually didn't find them terribly different in terms of what I appreciate in a ski. My time on the Bonafide was one day spring skiing at Bridger, lots of chop. What I loved was the solid feel blasting through crud and very easy maneuverability. I would say it took what I like about the Gotamas and made it better and quicker. I could easily step right in to the Bonafide and ski it like I owned it without hesitation or learning curve. Honestly I partly think I should just buy the Bonafide and call it good. I know I would be happy. However.... One thing I also like about the Gotamas is the width underfoot. I can huck a nice 10 foot cornice and feel bullet proof when I land. Bigger seemed better when I switched from my old Rossi B3 to the Goats. Therefore Cochise seems like a good compromise.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Jason Robertson View Post

When your old ladies a smoke show, I feel no need to wander.

 

Great answer, well put!!

post #15 of 21

You live in CO. 

Are you trying to find a 1 ski quiver? No room for 2 skis? (or more)

Just curious. 

post #16 of 21
I feel the gotama is a very forgiving ski. It forces you to ski better a rewards good technique, and it flat refuses to punish you for your mistakes. I can carve smear and butter the ski at will. Its a confudence inspiring ski that says push me harder, dont worry ive got your back. I think the cochise might be the ski to progress to after owning the goats for a season or
post #17 of 21
So....man that was full of typos
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Good question WC68. Powder doesn't last long at the resort even on a banner day. Things get tracked up pretty quick. Throw in a bunch of snowboarders (is that PC?) and you have mostly push piles by midday. Of course then you hit the trees if you haven't already. My point is that even on a really great day a true powder ski doesn't really have a lot to offer at the resort as the day goes on so it isn't as attractive as having something more versatile. Did I mention my wife wants curtains instead of skiis? I had Rossi B3s which were more of a groomer/all mountain ski. I used it in the quiver with the Gotama for awhile switching back and forth. I quickly shelved the Rossi's and stuck with the Goats regardless of the conditions. I should probably have a bunch of skiis in my garage, but I don't and I frankly I don't want more skis. My garage is already full of backpacks and hunting gear, fishing rods and bikes, tools and hiking stuff. Just don't have room for more gear. One ski quiver would be a blessing.
post #19 of 21
Got it. Fair enough.

Curtains for the whole house are a lot more than a pair of skis smile.gif

Good luck

Ps: I'm not commenting on ski choice as I've only skied he Bonafides and have no where close to the amount of experience as the others here. But if someone told me tomorrow I could only have one ski the rest of my life, id pick the Bonafides.
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by WC68 View Post

Got it. Fair enough.

Curtains for the whole house are a lot more than a pair of skis smile.gif

Good luck

Ps: I'm not commenting on ski choice as I've only skied he Bonafides and have no where close to the amount of experience as the others here. But if someone told me tomorrow I could only have one ski the rest of my life, id pick the Bonafides.

Sure, more than "a" pair of skis..you need to balance it out....but be careful when it comes to retaliation when something you do in the garage or a ski trip compared to "a" pair of shoes. Choose your battles wisely. 

post #21 of 21
OP so you have a 106mm waisted ski, to me the balance for you is somthing close or over 120mm waist. Your in CO. If I were you that's where I'd be looking. When you want to replace your 106mm skis drop down to the upper 90's.
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