Originally Posted by oldgoat
When they added rocker to the Goats they became a different ski. The Cochise is probably a lot closer to your old Goats than the new Goat is. I've only skied the newer Goats and I thought they were squirrelly--I prefer a more solid ski that will hold an edge in that width.
First sentence, true. Second, not so much. Have owned several older Gotamas, 2103 Cochise, have tried the new Goats. Original Gotamas were flexy, light, aimed at backside powder skiing, but superb in trees and tight spaces. They gradually got stiffer, by about 15% every couple of years, but even by 2009 were nowhere as stiff as the Cochise's, particularly at the ends (the cambered Goats were a classic torsion box design with moderate flex tips and tails). The Cochise's were not/are not powder skis; they're big mountain guns. Happiest maching bad snow, bit of a handful in bumps and tight spaces for this lighter skier, at least.
Third sentence, agree. Cochises were flat - apparently now have a touch of camber - but I found the flat camber versions sort of nervous when running flat, even with all the beef. I think what I felt as nervousness others call "greasy." Ditto for new Goats, but only had a couple of runs, so not a definitive take. The cambered Goats were never greasy or nervous, really nice on edge, actually; only issue I ever noticed was that the fronts could get knocked around at speed in heavy or stiff crud. Not a high speed missile.
OP: I'm confused about your likes. I'm about your size, also owned the gold Gotamas. I find it odd that on the one hand you loved those skis, but on the other you loved the Bonafides. IMO, the closet approximation to a gold Goat is something like a Praxis Backcountry, or in Bonafide width, the BMX98, which has a lot of that feel but is a little damper. In 108, that'd be the BMX108 in 178. Notice the skis that I think replicate the Goat feel are, like that ski, all wood, and fairly light, with less sidecut than many modern designs. The Bonafide and Cochise have 2.5 sheets of metal. And deeper sidecuts more typical of modern rockered skis. So if you loved the Bones, then go with those or Phil's recs. But they have almost nothing to do with the Goats.
Edited by beyond - 11/16/14 at 9:18pm