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Please help recommend a ski with a decent rocker (found ski, need size)

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm hoping you can help me choose a ski length on a ski with a rocker tip.

 

I'm 165cm, about 150lb. I guess I would rate myself as intermediate/advanced. I'm hoping to use this ski maybe 50% on piste and 50% off piste.

 

The problem is that the ski is available in 168cm and 178cm. I know about the rocker factor when looking at ski length. The fudge factor is anywhere from 5cm for a small rocker tip to 10 cm for a more aggressive rocker. I asked the guy who makes these and he said that he's about my height and skis a 178cm. I feel that 178cm may be too big for me. He also said that it skis like a 164-168cm traditional ski, basically it's closer to a 10cm adjustment as I suspected.

 

So now I'm torn. Do you think the 168cm will ski short or do you think I will be fine? I'm sort of thinking that 173cm would be perfect. Maybe I'm totally wrong.

 

Here's the ski in question

 

  • Widths (Tip, Center, Tail): 124mm - 95mm - 109mm
  • Lengths: 168cm, 178cm, 186cm
  • Nose Rocker: 33cm
  • Camber: 7mm
  • Radius: 15m
post #2 of 19

Probably 178. Though shorter is not likely a fatal error....

post #3 of 19
you could mount an argument for either length at your size. You believe that 173 would be perfect, so the 178 is only 50mm/2" longer. That's an inch extra front and back which is not a lot when you think about it.
post #4 of 19

What style do you prefer?

 

If you like tight spots, trees and finesse shorter may be best.

 

Open bowls, charging on rails, maybe the longer is better.

post #5 of 19

I'm a couple of cm taller than you and fifteen pounds heavier.  I've been skiing a traditional cambered ski, a Dynastar Contact 4x4, in 165cm for several years.  I'm no expert.  Last year I demoed a Rossi Sin 7 at 180 and loved it.  Can't say whether the rocker profile is anything like the ski you're considering, but the 7 certainly skied short enough to be completely comfortable -- even though, standing on end, it towered over my head.  The extra stability was really surprisingly pleasant, actually.  Opened my eyes about ski length.  I'll bet you'll be ok.

post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by Buttinski View Post
 

What style do you prefer?

 

If you like tight spots, trees and finesse shorter may be best.

 

Open bowls, charging on rails, maybe the longer is better.

 

Hmmm. I would say I would like to do a bit of both. My 4yo will be taking lessons this season so I would say I'll probably be spending most of the time in the open when I go with him this season. By myself, I'd definitely like to do some trees, where a shorter ski would be better. Do you think 178cm with my dimensions would require me to be a super strong skier to ski trees?

post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 

I'm a couple of cm taller than you and fifteen pounds heavier.  I've been skiing a traditional cambered ski, a Dynastar Contact 4x4, in 165cm for several years.  I'm no expert.  Last year I demoed a Rossi Sin 7 at 180 and loved it.  Can't say whether the rocker profile is anything like the ski you're considering, but the 7 certainly skied short enough to be completely comfortable -- even though, standing on end, it towered over my head.  The extra stability was really surprisingly pleasant, actually.  Opened my eyes about ski length.  I'll bet you'll be ok.

 

Thanks for the feedback! Seems like the rocker profile isn't too different actually. Did you get a chance to ski any tight areas/trees? If so, did you find them difficult to control?

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by skirx View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Buttinski View Post
 

What style do you prefer?

 

If you like tight spots, trees and finesse shorter may be best.

 

Open bowls, charging on rails, maybe the longer is better.

 

Hmmm. I would say I would like to do a bit of both. My 4yo will be taking lessons this season so I would say I'll probably be spending most of the time in the open when I go with him this season. 

 

LOL. Well you may be going to be in the open, but if you're with a four-year-old you're not going to be doing any charging (other than on your credit card). :)

post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

^^^ haha. Very true! He did mention that it was a charging ski.

post #10 of 19

Sometimes it's just the wrong ski...

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

^^ I considered that as well. I like this ski but have considered the Rossi E88…maybe I should find a place where I can demo the Rossi

post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by skirx View Post
 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm hoping you can help me choose a ski length on a ski with a rocker tip.

 

I'm 165cm, about 150lb. I guess I would rate myself as intermediate/advanced. I'm hoping to use this ski maybe 50% on piste and 50% off piste.

 

I can't see how going longer than the 168cm, skiing in Maine with a 4 year old, would be a good idea.

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

I can't see how going longer than the 168cm, skiing in Maine with a 4 year old, would be a good idea.


Yeah, the four year old puts a whole other complexion on the matter.

post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

I can't see how going longer than the 168cm, skiing in Maine with a 4 year old, would be a good idea.

 

You bring up a good point. I still have an older pair of carving skis that I could use when I'm with him. 

 

Sigh, maybe I am looking at the wrong ski. I wish I could demo them but that's not an option. 

post #15 of 19

I took a look at their website and the ethos sounds good, have you seen a pair of skis they have produced? If the quality, fit and finish are all good then they seem like a cool company that would be nice to support and the shapes look interesting... but I'm looking at a drawing on the internet. It's hard to know what the rocker profile really looks like from a drawing (not to mention how much taper the ski has, looks like a lot from the drawing... so maybe the 178 makes sense?). That makes it more or less impossible to give any kind of intelligent opinions on 'what length for me', sorry. I just have a hard time imaging a ski that is more than 5" taller than you as the best choice for an "intermediate/ advanced" skier. I think a ski that is slightly over head height seems like it would be spot-on.

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

I took a look at their website and the ethos sounds good, have you seen a pair of skis they have produced? If the quality, fit and finish are all good then they seem like a cool company that would be nice to support and the shapes look interesting... but I'm looking at a drawing on the internet. It's hard to know what the rocker profile really looks like from a drawing (not to mention how much taper the ski has, looks like a lot from the drawing... so maybe the 178 makes sense?). That makes it more or less impossible to give any kind of intelligent opinions on 'what length for me', sorry. I just have a hard time imaging a ski that is more than 5" taller than you as the best choice for an "intermediate/ advanced" skier. I think a ski that is slightly over head height seems like it would be spot-on.

 

Thanks a lot for this feedback. I have not seen the skis in person but I'm planning to arrange a meeting with him to see a finished pair. I agree that 178cm for my ht/wt seems like it's on the aggressive side. Maybe there's a chance he can shorten it up a bit to, say, 171-173cm, and that's something I'm hoping to discuss with him. 

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by skirx View Post
 

 

Thanks a lot for this feedback. I have not seen the skis in person but I'm planning to arrange a meeting with him to see a finished pair. I agree that 178cm for my ht/wt seems like it's on the aggressive side. Maybe there's a chance he can shorten it up a bit to, say, 171-173cm, and that's something I'm hoping to discuss with him. 


As much as we all want the exact perfect fit, there really is not that much difference between  173 and 178 cm in terms of length. You are talking about an inch or so on each end. So in a sense, going with the short size would be rounding down a bit (couple inches). The long one, rounding up a bit.

 

Which is "better" will depend on the details of the ski. Assuming this ski is "typical" of its class, your height might say to bias down to the 168. But your weight would likely lead to the 178. If you are going to get the ski, it is likely best to trust the builder. Their goal is for you to have a good experience. And if they don't know the ski, no one does...

post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 

^^ Very good points. Thank you. I think what I really need to do is see a finished ski in person to get an idea, as whiteroom said, of how much taper the ski has.

post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for your help, it gives me a lot to think about. My local ski shop has a pair of Nordica NRGY 90 in 169cm. I'll be stopping by there tomorrow. From looking online it seems like the rocker tip is not as aggressive so maybe it will fit me better. After reading Phil's review, this ski has piqued my interest.

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