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Happy Valley spinoff thread

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"I just want to avoid being taken out by someone *else*'s pilot error, which is why I consider Spruce at Breck the most dangerous run on the mountain."

 

I think every mountain has one. I consider Kirkwood's to be Zackary, it's like a freeway of fools sometimes.:duck:

 

 

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Toni Matt here. Second place to lower Big Ravine. Third to the run out of Hell Fire. Fourth to Inspo. All places I'd rather not be with crowds, as in more than just me.

 

I give you "Happy Valley" (unofficial name) in St. Anton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GEnCOKpYkM. It's the only way home from one side of the mountain, it's quite narrow in places, several different slopes and off-piste areas funnel into it, and as you can see it suffers from flat light at the end of the day.

 

The video only shows a small part of it. It merges with another slope right where the guy turns off the camera and crosses the bottom of a black slope shortly after that. Then, it narrows down as it goes through the trees, opens up for a short stretch, and then gets really narrow again as it passes a few apres bars. The drunk crowds just add to the fun.

 

I had to ski it on one foot once due to equipment issues. It was an interesting experience to say the least.

 


Edited by CerebralVortex - 11/5/14 at 4:47am
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^ Hah.  Had Happy Valley in my mind when I heard people calling out comparatively empty runs like Zachary's and Toni Matt.  I've skied up the bank and on dirt/slush combo on the left hand side to avoid a lot of fuckwittery that goes on on that run.  Most interesting was when it was almost empty in a fog out and British competitive dad was yelling at his small offspring to just toughen up and follow him to copious tears. Was quite tempted to scoop one up myself but I feared he still wouldn't have been able to ski while carrying the other down.

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^ Hah.  Had Happy Valley in my mind when I heard people calling out comparatively empty runs like Zachary's and Toni Matt.  I've skied up the bank and on dirt/slush combo on the left hand side to avoid a lot of fuckwittery that goes on on that run.  Most interesting was when it was almost empty in a fog out and British competitive dad was yelling at his small offspring to just toughen up and follow him to copious tears. Was quite tempted to scoop one up myself but I feared he still wouldn't have been able to ski while carrying the other down.

 

I finally managed to find a video that shows the narrow gap that you have to ski through to get past the apres bars (especially the Mooserwirt) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k67bfBoNLME. Skip to about 0:18 to see someone shooting the gap. To be fair, the slopes are empty, so it's obviously very late in the day (possibly after last chair).

 

 


Edited by CerebralVortex - 11/5/14 at 6:11am
post #4 of 18
The more I see of skiing in Europe, the less interested I get. I had originally been going to do St. Anton this year, but never saw an airfare I liked. Now, not so sure I want to go next year, either. Have gotten so anti-crowds the last ten years.... The peace and tranquility here is so welcome.
post #5 of 18
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The more I see of skiing in Europe, the less interested I get. I had originally been going to do St. Anton this year, but never saw an airfare I liked. Now, not so sure I want to go next year, either. Have gotten so anti-crowds the last ten years.... The peace and tranquility here is so welcome.

Sib, there is an unimaginable ton of different ski experiences in Europe. If you're looking for an excuse not to go, you found one, but you'll have thrown out the maternity ward with the bath water.
post #6 of 18
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The more I see of skiing in Europe, the less interested I get. I had originally been going to do St. Anton this year, but never saw an airfare I liked. Now, not so sure I want to go next year, either. Have gotten so anti-crowds the last ten years.... The peace and tranquility here is so welcome.

 

Don't let Happy Valley put you off - if you're smart you only have to do it once a day and there is a way of going over the top via a convenient drag to bypass the worst pinch point shown.  There is so much skiing in the Arlberg region and often you only notice people when you get back to near St Anton.  But go to a popular European resort and guess what it's popular. And most people will have bought 6 day passes so they'll be out on slopes regardless.

post #7 of 18
I learned to ski in Austria. Had quite fond memories of my year living in Vienna and traveling around Austria until I went back. It was a physical shock after forty years to find how much some places had changed. Nevertheless, I still hoped to ski there, but much of the site talk lately has made me think I might not enjoy it.
post #8 of 18
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I learned to ski in Austria. Had quite fond memories of my year living in Vienna and traveling around Austria until I went back. It was a physical shock after forty years to find how much some places had changed. Nevertheless, I still hoped to ski there, but much of the site talk lately has made me think I might not enjoy it.

Funny after reading a lot about people's fear about getting run over by straightliners and actually getting run over I was thinking the other way around, that is seems really dangerous to ski in the US. I have skied many hundred days in Europe and I have never been in any dangerous situation due to crowded slopes. I suppose it depends on where you ski though. When I'm not skiing in Sweden I really like Italy. Often you can ski powder an entire day very close to the grooomer.

post #9 of 18
Well, you could go to Park City first, you know, try out the European-type experience to see if you like it. wink.gif
Edited by DesiredUsername - 11/5/14 at 8:08am
post #10 of 18
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I finally managed to find a video that shows the narrow gap that you have to ski through to get past the apres bars (especially the Mooserwirt) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k67bfBoNLME. Skip to about 0:18 to see someone shooting the gap. To be fair, the slopes are empty, so it's obviously very late in the day (possibly after last chair).

 

 

 

The worst part of coming out of the Mooserwirt or Krazy Kangaroo is that you will probably come out a little drunk and after dark and there is basically like one light bulb that whole way down as I recall.  hehe.

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I learned to ski in Austria. Had quite fond memories of my year living in Vienna and traveling around Austria until I went back. It was a physical shock after forty years to find how much some places had changed. Nevertheless, I still hoped to ski there, but much of the site talk lately has made me think I might not enjoy it.

Weel, there's still France, CH, Italy, etc...
post #12 of 18
Since I don't speak French or Italian or ...Swiss (unbelievable how tough it is to read a menu there even if you know German..), I've gravitated to Austria. In a rut, I know.
post #13 of 18

A few years ago, after 20 years working at my former employer, they gave me a $2000. travel voucher that I had to spend on a holiday.

 

I thought about going to the Alps...for about 5 seconds and then I realized that skiers from all over the world come to B.C. to Cat and Heli ski. So I spent the $2000. plus some of my own $ on 4 days cat skiing at Retallack, near Kokanee Glacier Provincial Park. While it didn't snow the week before I was there and only an inch while I was there, the only tracks that we crossed in 4 days were our own.

:D

post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

The more I see of skiing in Europe, the less interested I get. I had originally been going to do St. Anton this year, but never saw an airfare I liked. Now, not so sure I want to go next year, either. Have gotten so anti-crowds the last ten years.... The peace and tranquility here is so welcome.

 

To be fair, there are only two truly crowded runs in St. Anton: Happy Valley and the blue leading to Stuben. Both are runs that you really only need to do once a day if you happen to be going to a particular part of the mountain. And with the blue to Stuben, you can bypass the crowd by staying off piste just to the skier's right of the slope. It's usually pretty decent skiing almost all the way to the bottom.

 

This video shows how easy it is to escape the crowds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzoLgzbe_c4. Those two pop off the piste just a short distance from the lift (gotta love that drop just before the lift station). There are plenty of similar spots that are easy to access and offer terrain of varying difficulty, even in the more popular parts of the resort. Then there are areas like Stuben and Rendl that generally uncrowded overall, especially the back side of Stuben.

 

Most of the photos from the Euro Gathering TR (http://www.epicski.com/t/128294/euro-gathering-tr-february-8-15-2014) were from easy-access stuff. The two pics of the wipeout in progress were from the blue to Stuben.

 

post #15 of 18
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The worst part of coming out of the Mooserwirt or Krazy Kangaroo is that you will probably come out a little drunk and after dark and there is basically like one light bulb that whole way down as I recall.  hehe.

 

The best bit of it is getting last lift back from Alpe Rauz and feeling like a skiing god as you cruise past the drunken fools trying to stay upright the last few hundred yards on your way to the more intimate bongo playing vibe of the Underground.

post #16 of 18
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I stumbled on a YouTube video of one of the courses I was on in St. Anton last year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBDBDRZPpbs. I'm the guy in the red jacket and white goggles.

 

Part 1 was from one of the days with the guide, where we were in Stuben most of the day. Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0FFlEc3AE) is from a couple of different days with the instructors.

 

The 2014 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd-nJuPPx5g) shows a bit of the instructors at work. I didn't go on that one because we were doing the Euro Gathering in St. Anton the next month.

 

post #17 of 18
Part two made me regain interest. I was glad in the third one that he said conditions were atrocious, because I was thinking, never mind the Hell n Backs, bring some rock skis...
post #18 of 18
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Part two made me regain interest. I was glad in the third one that he said conditions were atrocious, because I was thinking, never mind the Hell n Backs, bring some rock skis...

 

Part 1 was during the warmer early days of the week, which is why we were climbing. Part 2 was dump day (which is why we stuck below tree line) and the sunshine that followed at the end of the week.

 

Part 3 was during the bad early season last winter. Things turned around by the time we had the Euro gathering. So I lucked out by skipping the course this year and heading over there in February.

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