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Please stop shouting at me

post #1 of 37
Thread Starter 
Would those who like the emphasis of ALL CAPS try to get my attention through other means, perhaps through the art of persuasion or the charm of your prose?

Thank you.
post #2 of 37
They were quite amazing.

post #3 of 37
Be bold.

edited: for caps; i wasn't shouting, i was merely waving my arms.

[ September 12, 2003, 07:44 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #4 of 37
Thread Starter 
Yeah. Meet my pet peeves. ALL CAPS and misplaced apostrophes.

Your's truly...
post #5 of 37

what do you have against ALL CAP'S?

post #6 of 37
Let's see, today you've let us know how you feel about all caps. Last year you had some pithy comments about helmets. What kind of headgear do you like?
post #7 of 37
Nolo -

Apostrophes, shmostrophies ...

If you get annoyed at the incorrect apostrophe usage, you probably will find http://www.elaccess.com/academics/postrophesrule.html a fun read.

That said, I have my own pet peeve about the rule of standard punctuation that says that the plural of an acronym like AC (i.e., air conditioner) should be "ACs", and not "AC's". This may very well be the issue that annoys you (albeit from the other side of the fence - grin). To me, this construction simply looks visually odd and is somewhat confusing. For example, I worry that "ACs" could be an acronym itself. The apostrophe makes it clear that it is not.

I got into a discussion of this topic with a friend and we did a web search. While the rules are clear, we found quite a few people claiming that the plasticity of English grammar through usage is making constructions like "AC's" more acceptable in mainstream usage.

My Pet Peeve #2 - (Suggested by Peeve #1) - The "rule" that says that that periods and commas should appear before the closing quotation mark. For example, don't do what I do in this sentence, or what I did in the sentence above that begins with, "That said...". Then again, go ahead and do it, and see how the period looks right next to the ellipsis.

This may be an American oddity ( http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~xtag/relea...l/node207.html - last sentence in the first big paragraph). It makes no sense whatsoever to me. It's like having the order of brackets and parentheses at the end of a mathematical expression be arbitrarily reversed from that at the beginning of the expression. Put differently, the period ends the sentence, not the quoted material.

Being the iconoclast and occasional windmill-tiller that I am, I often intentionally violate the above rules in my writing (at least in situations where doing so doesn't count - grin).

Anxiously awaiting snow,
I remain,
In rapt grammatical attention,
Sincerely yours,

Tom / PM

[ September 12, 2003, 11:56 AM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #8 of 37
Originally posted by sno'more:
Let's see, today you've let us know how you feel about all caps. Last year you had some pithy comments about helmets. What kind of headgear do you like?
I'm more worried that she'll start off on one about heli-skiing.
(Did you know she went heli-skiing last year?)

post #9 of 37
Thread Starter 
Yeah, Fox. Dig, dig. Not going heli this year, just doing 'em.

But in 2005, WHO WANT'S TO GO?

I'm glad I'm not alone in the cultivation of pet peeves, PM, but you are just plain WRONG about the punctuation in quotations. Strunk and White say so, and they wrote the book on that.

Sno'more, please do not bring that up again. I'm pro choice.

Gonzo, ALL CAPS is the keyboard's only emotable, and while I suppose it is mostly used for emphasis, it comes across (to me) as SHOUTING, like I won't comprehend the IMPORTANCE of the particular words so emphasized.

By the way, I think I might have been guilty of using ALL CAPS at some time or other, but I have since acquired this pet peeve so, never again. [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img]
post #10 of 37
> ...Strunk and White say so, and they wrote the book on that...

I know ... I know. I admitted that I'm going against years of entrenched usage on these two points, but believe it or not, there is an underground resistance forming. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

BTW, Fox, what's the deal over in GB on commas and periods - do they go inside or outside of quotation marks on your side of the pond. The web page that I quoted says you guys do it right (ie, outside).

Tom / PM
post #11 of 37
Rather than offend your sensibilities, nolo, I will try to refrain from using caps to ACCENTUATE a word or phrase in my writing. Using this forum does not allow for easy use of italics, and I'm TOO DAMN LAZY to scroll down, pick out the ITALICS thang, type a word up there in the little box, click ok, then wonder what the hell I was saying before I put emphasis on that word.

OOPS, I did it again (call me Britney).
post #12 of 37
Originally posted by nolo:
But in 2005, WHO WANT'S TO GO?
post #13 of 37
Thread Starter 
Yeah, Bonni, my sensibilities are legendary. :

epic wants to go! i have a wee idea that fox wants to too.
post #14 of 37
Sorry Nolo - I'm a culprit .... [img]redface.gif[/img]

I hate caps lock - but as Bonni says this system makes using bold & italics less than simple...so I use caps when I feel lazy [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #15 of 37
I'll begin by stating that I am not an authority on English punctuation, but as far as I know, anything inside the quotation marks belongs to the quotation, and anything external to them belongs to the rest of the sentence. I would add that I don't think it's good practice to end a sentence with a quote, so to get round that issue and the issue of full stops (periods over here are something women have that men suffer from [img]smile.gif[/img] ), you can place who said it after the quote.
On quotes I would also say that if you are quoting, don't add punctuation that doesn't belong in the quote. If the section you are quoting does not finish with a full stop, then do not put one in, instead, use ... to signify that the original text goes on further.

Now, I shall go off and try to find out the correct answer from the OED, or somewhere else.

post #16 of 37
Here is a quick lesson on shortcuts to using bold and italics, particularly suitable to those who have good typing skills, but don't want to have to pick up the mouse mid sentence (I don't have the first, but I do suffer from the latter)...
To the right of the P key on your keyboard (if it is a standard English keyboard) you should see two keys, both having brackets on them.
One set of brackets is square, the other is curly.
To put text into bold, simple use the square brackets and put a letter B between them at the start of the bold section, then at the end repeat the process, but insert a forward slash before the B.
I will show you what it looks like here, but I'll use round brackets, otherwise the code will work...
I want (b)this text(/b) to be bold
I want (i)that text(/i) to be italic
I want (b)(i)the other text(/i)(/b) to be bold and italic

I want this text to be bold
I want that text to be italic
I want the other text to be bold and italic

Now, if you're too lazy to do that with the keyboard, then I suggest you slow down your typing, and think about what you'r saying.

Here endeth today's lesson.



[ September 13, 2003, 02:25 AM: Message edited by: Wear the fox hat ]
post #17 of 37
Thread Starter 
That's very helpful, Fox.

Now all you lazy emphasizers have a plan. (Moi aussi.)

You too, disski... hey, that was easy!
post #18 of 37
Yeah, Fox, thanks for making this more work!
post #19 of 37
I want to go heli-skiing!
post #20 of 37
I NEED to go skiing
post #21 of 37
Ok, I'm guilty of using an apostrophe instead of quotes as in 'Springhill Crazie' instead of "SC". I'm much more lazy than Bonni, I hate to use the shift key. I thought I was doing well just to capitalize I when speaking of myself. Perhaps it is a revolt against people who use the two handed, double fingered hand signal to quote their speech. That's MY pet peeve.

If MS Word does not correct it, you will see it.
post #22 of 37
Yeah, and you spelled "crazy" wrong.
post #23 of 37
Thread Starter 
I see we're cultivating a nice can of worms on this thread. Moving from apostrophes to quotation marks around dubious quotes, eh? I was so "happy" to receive his "attentions" I had a hard time "concealing" it. Do the quotes add value, or not?
post #24 of 37
They only add value if the sentence was preceded by:

Presidential Intelligence Test

Put quotation marks around the following words:
1. Happy
2. Attentions
3. Concealing

[ September 15, 2003, 04:47 AM: Message edited by: Wear the fox hat ]
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[ September 15, 2003, 08:44 AM: Message edited by: Bec ]
post #27 of 37
For all the hard of hearing in the ski world .... OZ IS GOING ORRRRRFFFFFFFFF.



sorry nolo I didn't realise you where "standing" there

[img]smile.gif[/img] : [img]smile.gif[/img] :
post #28 of 37


sorry nolo [img]smile.gif[/img]

I will be there in 3 more sleeps for day number 32 and 33 of the season.
post #29 of 37
It's insane!!!!!!

Sunday at Hotham was just awesome (especially after I found my ski). Heading to Falls this w/e. Can't believe it's the middle of September. Also can't believe Hotham isn't extending their season.

post #30 of 37
Oh my. I was at Hotham on Sunday tooo. White\grey Phenix parka, black pants, blue Smith goggles n SX11 skis. Epic epic day. Back to work now .... sated, sore n very happy.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
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