or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › What is the perfect bump ski?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

What is the perfect bump ski?

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

What is the perfect bump ski and what makes it the perfect pair?

post #2 of 13

There are a few mogul specific skis on the market, Hart F17/F17 WC, Volkl Mogul, K2 244 to name a few. What makes them mogul specific? They are narrow, about 66mm underfoot and not a lot of shape, this makes them quick edge to edge. The shape is similar to a GS ski but without the metal and softer. Now, if you are asking what makes a  all-mountain ski that is good in the bumps, that is different. 

post #3 of 13

Light weight, skinny under foot to be nimble edge to edge,  tips of the soft side but beefy enough under foot to carve on ice, tails firm enough to accelerate out of turns and recover any back seat landings.  Bindings also very light weight and mounted flat.

post #4 of 13

I'd underscore that the "perfect bump ski" is moderately flexy. You want to flow rather than carve. If you watch competitions, smooth + good aerials wins. OTOH, that same quality may hinder its performance coming and going from the bumps...

post #5 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by crgildart View Post  Bindings also very light weight and mounted flat.

 

With maybe a bit more delta than a carver ski.

post #6 of 13

With the caveat that "good skiers can make just about anything work in moguls"...  Also, with all of the different mogul skiing styles out there, it would be hard to come to any consensus.  But what I've found:

 

Skis with a short turn radius are a handful in the bumps because they want to keep hooking up.  Some short-radius skis are easier than others though.

 

The flex of a ski seems to be the big factor that "makes or breaks" a bump ski for me.  I find skis with "too flexy" a tip just sort of "ride over" the mogul and don't require me to retract the legs as I'm going up a mogul.  Or, perhaps more precisely, the tips don't present enough feedback for me to realize that I am going up a mogul...  which can leave me "jammed" at the top of a mogul when I suddenly don't have any range-of-motion available to extend with because I'm already extended (i.e., because I never retracted).

 

Really stiff skis are even worse though (again, for me) because they punish you, big time, if you get the least bit off with the extension/retraction movements.

 

So...  I like skis with moderately flexy tips, so that they push back on me a little, but not too much...  Nice and flexy underfoot so that they conform easily to the bump...  And a tail/flex that releases easily.  How's that for vague?

post #7 of 13

You need something that makes it easiest to do this.,... but even a little faster

 

:Ott

post #8 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
 

With the caveat that "good skiers can make just about anything work in moguls"...  Also, with all of the different mogul skiing styles out there, it would be hard to come to any consensus.  But what I've found:

 

Skis with a short turn radius are a handful in the bumps because they want to keep hooking up.  Some short-radius skis are easier than others though.

 

The flex of a ski seems to be the big factor that "makes or breaks" a bump ski for me.  I find skis with "too flexy" a tip just sort of "ride over" the mogul and don't require me to retract the legs as I'm going up a mogul.  Or, perhaps more precisely, the tips don't present enough feedback for me to realize that I am going up a mogul...  which can leave me "jammed" at the top of a mogul when I suddenly don't have any range-of-motion available to extend with because I'm already extended (i.e., because I never retracted).

 

Really stiff skis are even worse though (again, for me) because they punish you, big time, if you get the least bit off with the extension/retraction movements.

 

So...  I like skis with moderately flexy tips, so that they push back on me a little, but not too much...  Nice and flexy underfoot so that they conform easily to the bump...  And a tail/flex that releases easily.  How's that for vague?

Kevin's comments make for a good argument for someone like myself I'm 6'2" 205 to 215 lbs. I don't think it was vague but what ski??

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

You need something that makes it easiest to do this.,... but even a little faster

 

:Ott

He needs a lesson... :nono:

post #9 of 13

@scadvice, you're new here, right?  

That gentleman does not need a lesson.  

post #10 of 13

For me ( other than a mogul specific ski ) I want the skinniest most agile ski out their,a short radius slalom ski.If I was 40 or under I would put up with a stiff front end but now that i'm over 50 I use a slalom ski with a softer front end.

post #11 of 13

I really enjoyed bumping on the Nordica Steadfast last year.

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 

@scadvice, you're new here, right?  

That gentleman does not need a lesson.  

No... I know who Ott is... I can remember doing (or trying to) Wedeln turns over and over at Mammoth instructor clinics. We'd follow the trainer, right on his tail, and try to to mirror him exactly. It was suppose to be sarcasm... however it didn't work.


Edited by scadvice - 11/5/14 at 8:05pm
post #13 of 13

 

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

There are a few mogul specific skis on the market, Hart F17/F17 WC, Volkl Mogul, K2 244 to name a few. What makes them mogul specific? They are narrow, about 66mm underfoot and not a lot of shape, this makes them quick edge to edge. The shape is similar to a GS ski but without the metal and softer. Now, if you are asking what makes a  all-mountain ski that is good in the bumps, that is different. 

 

Phil,

What are your favorite all mountain skis in the bumps for 3 different widths.  Let's say 80-90, 90-100 and 100-110 underfoot.  Obviously these are not at all optimal widths for bump skiing but just wondering what your favorites are.  Of all the skis I have skied these are mine:

 

80-90 - Kastle LX82

90-100 - Prophet 100(Older model I believe 2010?)

100-110 - Atomic Automatic(It is actually 117 underfoot but does amazingly well in bumps)

 

I obviously don't get to ski the amount of skis you do and that is why I ask the question. 

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › What is the perfect bump ski?