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post #91 of 99

^^^

It's nice to have the whole road to yourself.  I can recall, back when I was a reckless teenager, drifting around a two-lane blacktop 45 mph posted corner at about a buck twenty, using up two lanes, and being confronted with on-coming traffic.   I had to dip my right rear tire onto the gravel shoulder to squeeze back into my lane and finish getting around the turn.  The guy in the passenger seat was pretty sure we were not going to make it. 

post #92 of 99

Drive for the momentum produced by your vehicle's weight and aggressiveness of tread VS the terrain....

post #93 of 99
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^^^

It's nice to have the whole road to yourself.  I can recall, back when I was a reckless teenager, drifting around a two-lane blacktop 45 mph posted corner at about a buck twenty, using up two lanes, and being confronted with on-coming traffic.   I had to dip my right rear tire onto the gravel shoulder to squeeze back into my lane and finish getting around the turn.  The guy in the passenger seat was pretty sure we were not going to make it. 


It's amazing that we survived those days, isn't it.

post #94 of 99
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Correct speed for conditions, car control, understanding dynamics... Practice makes perfect.

No traction control, no ABS, plenty of power, 4wd

 

Ari Vatanen at Pike's Peak, Peugeot 405 T16

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiIjLMr33Xc

NOt to mention a huge spoiler for downforce, and most likely not running all-season tires.

 

Probably running a gravel rally tire, for the latter part of the course, which is not paved

post #95 of 99
I've done some instructing with the Tire Rack Street Survival school for new drivers. The skid pad was very enlightening. It is fairly easy to teach people to recover from a tail slide (oversteer), because the "steer where you want to go" bit is really fairly intuitive once you get it.

What is NOT easy to learn is understeer/plowing recovery, because our instincts are so wrong. When the car won't turn, everyone tries to turn the wheel farther. That makes it plow worse, and whatever we don't want to hit is getting closer, so we crank it even more. Boom!

The trick is to straighten the wheel a little instead of turning it more. Yes, you will turn tighter if you straighten the wheel. Not all the way, of course, but straighten until it starts turning.

At first, try it while being steady on the gas. Once you get that down, try lifting your foot off the gas just as you straighten to get some forward weight transfer.

Be ready though! These techniques works so well that the sudden traction may catch you off guard. Be ready to keep straightening to exit the turn.
post #96 of 99

When we were kids we used to go find a huge, wide open parking lot to play around in spinning chittys (local lingo for donuts) and general drifting.  Backwards 180s, aka "Rockfords" are also a fun trick to learn and can really be helpful learning to get yourself out of a bad spin out.  We usually did this in the snow and ice, but sometimes did it on dry pavement as well.. I remember one time spending couple of hours tearing up my tires in a parking lot just before having new ones installed.

post #97 of 99
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The guy in the passenger seat was pretty sure we were not going to make it. 

post #98 of 99

A legal way to brush up your skills is to try autocross with the SCCA. They compete rain or shine, though not in thunderstorms, and rain on a freshly sealed parking lot is pretty slick!

post #99 of 99

^ What sgarnett mentioned. People could look into taking winter specific driving schools, that will teach you car control in truly slippery conditions, how cars react in a slide and how to correct.

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