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post #91 of 104
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Still matters where the hubs are too. RNO to DEN are about the same with Southwest and Denver but the baggage makes the difference for us. SW was more to Tennessee when we were going there but we were going from small airport to small airport. 

From RDU, Southwest fares are comparable other airlines to ski destinations.  So no baggage fees and the ability to change dates without a change fee makes choosing SW an easy decision for me.

post #92 of 104
I cannot believe how expensive flights are this year, even to SLC which is typically a reasonable option from here in NY.

At the start of researching a trip for this year, I was expecting to see flights between $350 and $450.

Every flight I look into, whether it be into Denver, SLC, Jackson, all seem to be between $520 and $650.

While I'm already going to Whistler for a long weekend, I was looking to do another trip to JH considering their great packages they're offering right now, but I can't justify the trip with such high airfare.

It's really a shame.

I would have thought flight prices would be coming down a bit with the huge drop is oil prices.

I hope we see a return to more normalized airfare in the near future.
post #93 of 104

Flight occupancy is at an all time high, something like 84% according to a recent LA Times article.  Bottom line is supply and demand.  So no price relief unless there's another recession, or until the airlines think it's worthwhile to expand capacity.

post #94 of 104
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Southwest would be smart just to pad the ticket costs enough to cover what the average uncharge would be and keep the "Bags fly free" campaign going as long as they can. 

I think they already are ... Seriously, minus their fare sales, their ticket prices seem to be higher than many others lately. Now,that is based totally on limited personal experience, so may not be valid, but I have noticed that United is actually quite a bit cheaper for me these days.

 

I noticed that too. But only very lately. (After months of shopping, watching prices keep steady or rise, and finally buying tickets on Southwest and Jet Blue. :()  Another thing I've noticed is that the gap between prices to major hubs and out-of-the-way destinations has closed somewhat (mostly due to the fact that prices to hubs have gone up). Used to be I could fly to Denver for 0.25 of what it would cost to fly to, say, Bozeman, and to Salt Lake for about 0.4. By contrast, the other day United had a one-stop trip to Jackson from Boston for $600, at convenient times, which is only roughly 40% more than a flight to Denver and 20% more than a flight to SLC.

post #95 of 104
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Flight occupancy is at an all time high, something like 84% according to a recent LA Times article.  Bottom line is supply and demand.  So no price relief unless there's another recession, or until the airlines think it's worthwhile to expand capacity.

 

Airlines had cut back on the number of flights to keep the occupancy rate high. Gone are the days you get on a half empty plane and can stretch out across.

post #96 of 104
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Airlines had cut back on the number of flights to keep the occupancy rate high. Gone are the days you get on a half empty plane and can stretch out across.

Not exactly. Airlines cut back the flights when they were bleeding during the recession.  Now that demand has returned, they have chosen to raise prices rather than expand capacity. Since the strategy has been profitable, they have chosen to stay with it and let occupancy set new record highs.

post #97 of 104

I booked a flight on Jet Blue for a January ski trip.  I booked it before their announced decision to charge for bags.  I wonder if I will have to pay a charge or if it will still fall under the policy that was in place when I booked?  Either way, I got a dirt cheap flight to SLC.

post #98 of 104
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

Not exactly. Airlines cut back the flights when they were bleeding during the recession.  Now that demand has returned, they have chosen to raise prices rather than expand capacity. Since the strategy has been profitable, they have chosen to stay with it and let occupancy set new record highs.

Not exactly. It only takes ONE airline to drop their prices a little to take away the customers from other airline. They would have to add more flights to fly those extra customers... Next thing you know, all the planes got a little emptier!

post #99 of 104
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It only takes ONE airline to drop their prices a little to take away the customers from other airline.

Not much motivation to do that if you're flying at 84% capacity.  More motivation to raise prices along with the other guys.

post #100 of 104
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Not much motivation to do that if you're flying at 84% capacity.  More motivation to raise prices along with the other guys.

The price drop would naturally need to be accompanied with expansion of flight schedule to keep the occupancy rate at about the same level while increasing the total revenue for the said airline. 

post #101 of 104
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The price drop would naturally need to be accompanied with expansion of flight schedule to keep the occupancy rate at about the same level while increasing the total revenue for the said airline. 

The airlines have a long history of that strategy backfiring on them when the next crisis (oil shock, 9/11, financial panic, etc.) happens.   Therefore they are going to let the occupancy rates reach higher levels than previously before making the move to expand capacity. 

post #102 of 104
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they are going to let the occupancy rates reach higher levels than previously before making the move to expand capacity. 

Like right before the next down turn!

post #103 of 104

Airlines are in the catbird seat for sure. Keeping prices high while demand is strong. All those profits, however, are starting to get reinvested in newer, more efficient aircraft. Customers will just have to deal with it, or drive to a local ski resort if airfares price that component out of the equation. I'm in that conundrum of sorts right now. Have a few days off in mid-December, and have to either pull the trigger in the next week or so, or stay local, and drive. Bottom line, is that high airfares make powder chasing very expensive!

post #104 of 104
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

Our local TV station ran a story about the impact that flights into and out of our area has on the skier visits. 

 

From my personal perspective, I've got friends who talk about coming into Reno and staying with us for a ski vacation but its tough to pull the trigger based on flights that are(or aren't) available coming into Reno. 

 

These same friends find it easy and affordable to find flights into and out of Denver and Salt Lake City. 

 

What sort of impact could it have on the ski industry if flight availability and cost become more achievable? 

The end of this story talks about the possibility of adding some flights from Europe.  Will someone from Europe reconsider a vacation to Tahoe if this happens? 

What other areas suffer from lack of flights? (Jackson Hole, Big Sky, ??)

 

 

See news story here 

Air Service Impacting Area Ski Resorts 

And now this.....

JetBlue to link Reno, NewYork City with daily flights 

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 For the Reno-Tahoe ski market, the JetBlue connection is "phenomenal," said Wirth, president/CEO of Squaw Valley Ski Holdings, parent company of Squaw Valley and Alpine Meadows ski areas. "The most lucrative ski market in the U.S. is New York."
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