reviving this quickly, just to say that it is final: yes, we do want to move strongly forward at the beginning of the turn.
when i was posting here, i had been away from snow for too long a time. now, having just been to two days of awesome training with the top tech coaches, i can say it strongly.
we played, for the better part of two days, with moving forward at the beginning of the turn, while being light on the edges and using the previous turn to generate momentum forward. it works well even in slush... good timing and maintaining good separation at the end of the turn being some of the critical factors... proper pole plants too, as is avoiding both skidding the top of the turn and moving up coming out of it.
of course - by forward, we mean down the hill rather than the direction the skis are pointing to.
man - looking back (or feeling back) i started the weekend so far back on skis, it was curious that they were still turning...
p.s. then again, generating momentum forward is not the main concern of recreational skiers, but being safer with more range of movement and more options on hardpack, is... so yes, moving forward should be a priority.
p.s. 2 - yes, you can obviously overdoit, in which case your nose will act as a brake... BUT, if you're floating well from the previous turn, that should not be a major concern as you can easily adjust the feet while unloaded...
@Metaphor_ you should have been there, man - the worst skiing conditions i have ever seen but awesome training.
Originally Posted by razie
i want to be forward at the initiation, as the ski edge bites.
when pressuring the ski in the middle, about 50-60% of pressure stays there while 40% is distributed to tip and tail on a stiff cambered ski, like you show. i would like a bit more pressure on the tip, to engage cleanly and, as you say, make a tighter turn.
this is so because we are talking about the beginning of the turn when in fact i do not have much pressure on the ski as it is - so i need as much as i can muster to go to the front, even if the tail is skidding a bit, it will cause the ski to actually turn somewhat, establish a carve/platform and prepare for increased pressure. the more i get forward, the more there perhaps is a steering effect (as the tail is unloaded) and the ski turns faster into the fall line.
we are only talking about moving the weight from mid boot to front boot / balls of feet, like two inches or so, which will not in fact put immeasurably more weight on the front, but just take some of the tail's 20% and transfer it front, while the bulk is still in the middle of the ski, so you engage more the tip to middle of the ski - the tail can wiggle, but not much since the ski is now carving.
this is why at this point, levering the cuff seems important, to add more leverage to the front of the ski as opposed to actual weight/pressure, whcih is overall lacking... increasing, but small. another contributing factor to the ski grabbing and turning in this high-c is counteracting or the uncoiling of the core, as you are also increasing your tipping angles.
there are many considerations after this point, of max pressure. or rather zone, not pointy.
those are a few reasons why it is beneficial to be more forward than aft at the beginning of the turn.
p.s. the best example of an exagerated re-centering move being helpful is carving steep hardpack. if you do not have a strong forward drive in the transition, you will go banzai down the slope on your tails, which are not enough to grip-turn-slow and speed control. on steep hardpack it is that much more important to have increased tip pressure early to get the ski biting and settled by the time you need pressure, which comes very quickly.
p.s.2 - i am talking groomed, the harder the more forward. on powder for instance, i can see less of a need to be forward - let the tips float, rather than digging them in.
p.s.3 - like zenny says, i don't think it should be overdone unless you have a need to - especially not in the beginning of the turn. you should always leave some ROM room for balancing and recoveries.