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post #61 of 68
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

No way in hell. There is a race room dedicated specially to Marcel's skis with a staff of techs that fine-tune every detail of his equipment. Like mentioned above, these are custom D2 plates to accommodate the Marker Piston plate and M20.0 (M30.0?) to keep within the 50mm FIS height regulations. 

That was more of a joke. As I said I was just comparing a situation to something I witnessed at a skier cross race around 15 years ago with Mconkey, very different circumstances.

 

My point though, even though I didnt make it clear, was that I wish these guys could just ski on whatever the hell they wanted to and didn't need the type of sponsorship they do.   

post #62 of 68
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Originally Posted by prickly View Post
 

Are Atomic bindings all made in the Salomon factory now, or do they still have their own manufacturing? I remember reading how they'd moved all the skis to Atomic, all the boots to Salomon, but it was never clear to me what they did with the bindings. 

 

 

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Atomic bindings emerged from ESS, yes? Going back 12 or 15 years? If so, then is there no more ESS, essentially? Perhaps I'm just asking the same question as prickly.

 

 

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Atomic bindings emerged from ESS, yes? Going back 12 or 15 years? If so, then is there no more ESS, essentially? Perhaps I'm just asking the same question as prickly.

 

My understanding is that Atomic owned ESS and a some point just replaced the ESS name with Atomic. The original ESS binding had a part in the heel piece that would often fail prematurely causing a unwanted release. They eventually claimed that the flaw had been remedied but I am not so sure. Others might have a better idea.

Sorry to join this discussion so late, but I had to respond to this subject, given my own experience. 

 

In the late 80's, probably '87 or '88, I had been racing on Atomics for awhile. I took notice of a little known, at least in this country, Austrian, I think, binding manufacturer named ESS. Their binding system was called VAR, and was designed so that the only fixed point on the binding was under the toe piece. The heel was mounted on a track that allowed it to move when the ski was cambered and decambered. This is all basically a precursor to contemporary binding/plate designs. What appealed to me was the ability to move the binding fore/aft of its mounting point a full 15 mm's with only the movement of lever. It gave me the chance to experiment with different mounting points. Sometime after I started skiing on the ESS VAR, maybe around 1990, Atomic, coincidently, bought the brand and continued to manufacture under the ESS brand name. It wasn't until two or three years later, in the early to mid 90's, that Atomic did away with the ESS name, and began selling them under their own brand. Atomic continued making this same binding, virtually the same binding that I began with in the late '80's other than some cosmetic changes and other refinements, well into the 21st century. ESS was obviously way ahead of their time. I skied and raced with this model binding for at least 15 yrs.!

 

Speaking to the premature release issue, as long as I skied on these bindings I heard these complaints, both with ESS and when they became Atomics. I, myself, never experienced this and wrote it off to the fact that I always skied in the race bindings. These bindings, besides the stiffer springs (at least a 16 DIN), also tended to have heavier metal in them, where as the recreational bindings tended to be much lighter and perhaps not as reliable. I switched to ESS because I had a hard time finding a binding that would keep me in. I am 55 yrs. and to this day I still need to ski in a 12/14 DIN setting. I still have at least 2 prs. of Atomic 10-16's.

post #63 of 68
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Here is Hirscher training slalom with Marker bindings on his SL's

 

 


Edited by Philpug - 11/7/14 at 7:45am
post #64 of 68

For anyone who has DishWorld there was a feature on Hirscher in last week's Levi slalom broadcast, part of which discussed his binding/plate setup...

 

 

That part starts with about 1:06:00 left (24 minutes in). The complete Hirscher segment (which discusses his fitness training) starts about 3 minutes before that.

post #65 of 68
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post
 

For anyone who has DishWorld there was a feature on Hirscher in last week's Levi slalom broadcast, part of which discussed his binding/plate setup...

 

 

That part starts with about 1:06:00 left (24 minutes in).

Do not..what was said?

post #66 of 68

Short of it was that that type of thing (Marker binding on Atomic-sponsored skis) never happens, but they made an exception for Hirscher. Hirscher likes the binding and in particular the piston plate because he feels it gives him better control of the rebound coming out of the turn. And Atomic is working feverishly to try and come up with their own binding/plate for him.  ;-)

 

The earlier part talked about him adding body weight so he'd have something left end of season to test new setups, and also some of the stuff he did off season: dirt moto bike, slackline, crossfit, etc.

 

I tried to find a youtube/etc video of that segment, but couldn't. Did come across this though...

 

http://captiongenerator.com/25197/Marker-Bindings

post #67 of 68
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post
 

 

 

I tried to find a youtube/etc video of that segment, but couldn't. Did come across this though...

 

http://captiongenerator.com/25197/Marker-Bindings

OMFG..THANK YOU. I Lauuughhhhed. :rotflmao:

post #68 of 68

Ha! That thing has been done to death at this point, but it was pretty damn funny!   ;-)


Edited by jc-ski - 11/20/14 at 12:35pm
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