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Thank you.  I didn't even know it was possible to block someone.  I feel better already.

 

To quote the immortal words of "Michael Bolton" in Office Space:

 

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 No way! Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

 

post #242 of 261
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In other words, the overwhelming majority of data resulting in this 35% decrease conclusion is from measurements at non-skiing elevations.

The Swiss climate scientists disagree with your conclusions.  The University of Geneva study is just one of thousands on the issue of melting Alp's glaciers and reduced snow pack. As they all note, the Alps glaciers are suffering disproportionately from other glaciers, all melting, but Alps at a much higher rate.

 

The representativeness of stations is nevertheless reasonably well respected in terms of station coverage as a function of surface area for each altitude class. 

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The Swiss climate scientists disagree with your conclusions.  The University of Geneva study is just one of thousands on the issue of melting Alp's glaciers and reduced snow pack. As they all note, the Alps glaciers are suffering disproportionately from other glaciers, all melting, but Alps at a much higher rate.

 

The representativeness of stations is nevertheless reasonably well respected in terms of station coverage as a function of surface area for each altitude class. 

 

Can you show me where the authors make any comparisons to glaciers outside of the Alps or any comparisons between the Alps and any other mountain range? I didn't see any notes from the authors about other glaciers or mountain ranges.

 

In fact, I could only find the word "glacier" twice in the article: one was in the phrase "along with seasonal glacier melt," and the other was in the title of one of the sources for the paper.

 

Maybe I missed it, but it doesn't appear to me that the authors made any comparisons to any other parts of the world outside of the Alps.

 

 

Edit: In fact, going back through all the pages in this thread, the only source that you've shown that gives any statistics that you could use to make any comparison to other ski regions was http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/early-warning-signs-of-global-5.html#.VGOEJtjAMct, and that can only be used to compare the Alps to New Zealand. But, even that can't be used for an accurate comparison because the data for the Alps covers the last 160+ years, while the data for NZ is only for the last 100 years.


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post #244 of 261
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Originally Posted by Eagles Pdx View Post
 

The Swiss climate scientists disagree with your conclusions.  The University of Geneva study is just one of thousands on the issue of melting Alp's glaciers and reduced snow pack. As they all note, the Alps glaciers are suffering disproportionately from other glaciers, all melting, but Alps at a much higher rate.

 

The representativeness of stations is nevertheless reasonably well respected in terms of station coverage as a function of surface area for each altitude class.

 

Yes, of course they didn't say the direct quotes from the abstract. How silly of me.

 

Are you purposely using the words glacier, snow, and snowfall interchangeably?

post #245 of 261
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Just click on Eagles' name and select "Block Member".

Though I will miss his posts in a similar way to how a bear would miss playing with his food before he eats it, I already feel better about the world and the future for our children.


He is now also blocked by me.  This is also the first time I blocked someone here, but this beats being constantly annoyed.
Same for me, first time I've blocked someone, and I resisted it until last week. Shoulda done it a long time ago, but it took me this long to decide that nothing he posts adds anything useful to the discussion.
post #246 of 261

News about Park City Mountain Resort from November 11, 2014 - 

Vail's arrival percolates down as coffee seller loses PCMR business 

 

It sucks that the local coffee guy is ousted, but it looks like he has a good outlook on selling to other sources.  Makes me want to buy his coffee, even if I have to make a stop before getting to the resort. 

 

Meanwhile I have a Starbucks gift card that was given to me for a birthday gift a few years ago.  I've registered it, add money to it and earn points for free cups of coffee, but all the perks for it don't work at the Starbucks at Northstar, which leaves me feeling a little like burnt coffee. 

 

What good is it to have a relationship with someone (Vail Resorts/Starbucks) if you exclude the benefits of your business AT the location where you have a relationship? 

 

The kicker for me is, I rarely go to Starbucks except when I'm heading to work and have a few extra minutes to sit, so the only place I'm likely to use my card with its "perks" is at Northstar. 

 

My free cup of coffee that I was supposed to get on my birthday this year.  Not available at the Starbucks at Northstar 

 

I got this in my email last month......Nope can't use it at Northstar's Starbucks 

 
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post #247 of 261
That's because your Starbucks isn't really a Starbucks. If they are going to use the brand identity they ought to participate fully. I know there are probably all sorts of business issues that make it difficult. As a customer, my feeling is "not my problem". Make it work.
post #248 of 261
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News about Park City Mountain Resort from November 11, 2014 - 

Vail's arrival percolates down as coffee seller loses PCMR business 

 

It sucks that the local coffee guy is ousted, but it looks like he has a good outlook on selling to other sources.  Makes me want to buy his coffee, even if I have to make a stop before getting to the resort. 

 

Meanwhile I have a Starbucks gift card that was given to me for a birthday gift a few years ago.  I've registered it, add money to it and earn points for free cups of coffee, but all the perks for it don't work at the Starbucks at Northstar, which leaves me feeling a little like burnt coffee. 

 

What good is it to have a relationship with someone (Vail Resorts/Starbucks) if you exclude the benefits of your business AT the location where you have a relationship? 

 

The kicker for me is, I rarely go to Starbucks except when I'm heading to work and have a few extra minutes to sit, so the only place I'm likely to use my card with its "perks" is at Northstar. 

 

My free cup of coffee that I was supposed to get on my birthday this year.  Not available at the Starbucks at Northstar 

 

I got this in my email last month......Nope can't use it at Northstar's Starbucks 

 
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That article received a lot of comments on the Park Record thread, but the overall change is good even if it sucks for a few small business owners (more small business owners will obviously profit).  Vail is like a Marriot, in that it has to provide a consistent value over a large geographical area.  Part of this consistency is the surface of the snow skied upon, and part of it is things like the quality of food and even coffee.  Starbucks may not be the "best" coffee, but it is consistently good and tastes the same (with the exception of the local water used) throughout the country.  This means the local PCMR supplier gets cut off.  But other small business owners will have record years thanks to Vail's expected improvements on the mountain and with lodging and with the increase in expected tourism.  It is simply business, and nothing more.  Because business is business, I wouldn't expect Vail to do business with vocal critics of Talisker, SkiLink, OneWasatch, etc.

 

The local Starbucks was not "participating" and has no obligation to give you 25% off.  If I ran that location, I'd give it to you anyway.  The idea is to get people coming back and turning them into advocates for the business.  The clerk who didn't honor your coupon clearly doesn't understand this.  This isn't a coupon for a $100 meal, but for a cup of coffee with a profit margin that would make any other business jealous. 

post #249 of 261
PC Coffee Roasters was making as much profit as cost on their PCMR coffee sales.

Cry me a river…

By the way the PC blend is great coffee… from my perspective better then Starbucks.
post #250 of 261
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News about Park City Mountain Resort from November 11, 2014 - 

Vail's arrival percolates down as coffee seller loses PCMR business 

 

It sucks that the local coffee guy is ousted, but it looks like he has a good outlook on selling to other sources.  Makes me want to buy his coffee, even if I have to make a stop before getting to the resort. 

 

Meanwhile I have a Starbucks gift card that was given to me for a birthday gift a few years ago.  I've registered it, add money to it and earn points for free cups of coffee, but all the perks for it don't work at the Starbucks at Northstar, which leaves me feeling a little like burnt coffee. 

 

What good is it to have a relationship with someone (Vail Resorts/Starbucks) if you exclude the benefits of your business AT the location where you have a relationship? 

 

The kicker for me is, I rarely go to Starbucks except when I'm heading to work and have a few extra minutes to sit, so the only place I'm likely to use my card with its "perks" is at Northstar. 

 

My free cup of coffee that I was supposed to get on my birthday this year.  Not available at the Starbucks at Northstar 

 

I got this in my email last month......Nope can't use it at Northstar's Starbucks 

 
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That article received a lot of comments on the Park Record thread, but the overall change is good even if it sucks for a few small business owners (more small business owners will obviously profit).  Vail is like a Marriot, in that it has to provide a consistent value over a large geographical area.  Part of this consistency is the surface of the snow skied upon, and part of it is things like the quality of food and even coffee.  Starbucks may not be the "best" coffee, but it is consistently good and tastes the same (with the exception of the local water used) throughout the country.  This means the local PCMR supplier gets cut off.  But other small business owners will have record years thanks to Vail's expected improvements on the mountain and with lodging and with the increase in expected tourism.  It is simply business, and nothing more.  Because business is business, I wouldn't expect Vail to do business with vocal critics of Talisker, SkiLink, OneWasatch, etc.

 

The local Starbucks was not "participating" and has no obligation to give you 25% off.  If I ran that location, I'd give it to you anyway.  The idea is to get people coming back and turning them into advocates for the business.  The clerk who didn't honor your coupon clearly doesn't understand this.  This isn't a coupon for a $100 meal, but for a cup of coffee with a profit margin that would make any other business jealous. 

Exactly!  

 

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PC Coffee Roasters was making as much profit as cost on their PCMR coffee sales.

Cry me a river…

By the way the PC blend is great coffee… from my perspective better then Starbucks.

I'm not really a fan of Starbucks coffee over all, but its convenient to sit a bit when I'm running super early for work. 

FWIW, when I lived in Michigan, I was always puzzled by the comment that "there's a Starbucks on every corner"  I lived 120 miles from the nearest Starbucks. 

The first time I witnessed the "Starbucks on every corner" was when I was in Denver for SIA and literally saw how many Starbucks there were in locations like this.  That was just 5 years ago.  

Clearly, I can live without Starbucks.  I would probably like the PC blend. 

post #251 of 261

Vail has a contract with Starbucks for all of its resorts that it must honor.  But the Northstar coupon refusal is dumb.  I would take that complaint up the food chain at either VR or Starbucks. 

post #252 of 261
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  The clerk who didn't honor your coupon clearly doesn't understand this.  This isn't a coupon for a $100 meal, but for a cup of coffee with a profit margin that would make any other business jealous. 

 

The clerk is only following VR's orders.  Some business will benefit from VR coming to town.  But if they have decent profit margin, VR will want some or all of it.

post #253 of 261

Well I'm not from Europe but I do enjoy skiing in Utah and will return next season if the 2 are connected by a lift. I tend to ski a few different ski areas every time I'm in Utah so it will be nice not have to chose between PCMR or Canyons. I think a lift connecting PCMR and Canyons will draw more skiers period. As of now they just bagged one more Northeast skier!!! 

 

 

FYI, I don't drink Starbucks but I never like seeing a local guy lose business, glad he will be able to keep all his employees as he stated.

post #254 of 261
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The clerk is only following VR's orders. 

I would want to determine that for a fact rather than making an assumption.  I would think someone in VR marketing would be more inclined to look at the big picture and dislike the negative publicity as opposed to losing a trivial amount of $ on redeemed coffee coupons. 

post #255 of 261
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  The clerk who didn't honor your coupon clearly doesn't understand this.  This isn't a coupon for a $100 meal, but for a cup of coffee with a profit margin that would make any other business jealous. 

 

The clerk is only following VR's orders.  Some business will benefit from VR coming to town.  But if they have decent profit margin, VR will want some or all of it.


To a point I get this because I have worked at a VR retail store.  

VR has some fairly strict policies in place to assure some sort of order within their huge organization but they also want their employees to give the customer "The Experience of a Lifetime"  

Customer Service is King!

 

An employee at any of their locations, (including Starbucks) is more likely to be reprimanded for being short with a customer than if they were to give away a cup of coffee.   The goal is for employee to elevate the experience through amazing customer service. 

post #256 of 261
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The goal is for employee to elevate the experience through amazing customer service. 

But the customer will still be PO'ed that the coupon was refused, and perhaps walk out the door to buy somewhere else.  And then post it online to spread the negative service impression (and as noted in this thread, blaming VR not Starbucks).  Counterproductive IMHO. 

post #257 of 261

Is it the case that the Starbucks at Northstar is a franchise rather than a Company (starbucks rather than VR) operated store?  I have come across similar at other franchise Starbucks in hotels, businesses etc.

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Is it the case that the Starbucks at Northstar is a franchise rather than a Company (starbucks rather than VR) operated store?  I have come across similar at other franchise Starbucks in hotels, businesses etc.


I haven't gotten into it too deeply, just making mention of it in this thread because of the current news story. 

The "barista" said that they don't honor the Starbucks members rewards because they aren't a "normal starbucks' whatever that means.  I just said "that stinks" and paid for my coffee. 

If is were something really important to me I'd dig into it.  My guess is that its some sort of special store relationship with VR.  

post #259 of 261

Starbucks aside, the bookings are looking good at Canyons this winter.  The following was part of the last paragraph from a letter to Grand Summit homeowners:

 

 We are currently still experiencing serious occupancy constraints this winter… great problem to have! Therefore I humbly ask those of you that own within the following dates, to confirm that you are indeed coming to visit; for if there is an opportunity to put some rooms back into our inventory for rental, we would be greatly appreciative. December 27th – January 1st             February 5th – 15th              February 28th  

 

Any doubt about skier days increasing at the combined resorts?  It isn't the locals booking these rooms.

 

On another note, my guess is that Vail eventually puts in a larger convention facility somewhere.  Now that there is ample lodging and a golf course at Canyons, there is no reason for all but the large groups to stay in SLC.  I am not sure where they can add a larger ballroom, but it is now needed.

post #260 of 261
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Is it the case that the Starbucks at Northstar is a franchise rather than a Company (starbucks rather than VR) operated store?  I have come across similar at other franchise Starbucks in hotels, businesses etc.


I haven't gotten into it too deeply, just making mention of it in this thread because of the current news story. 

The "barista" said that they don't honor the Starbucks members rewards because they aren't a "normal starbucks' whatever that means.  I just said "that stinks" and paid for my coffee. 

If is were something really important to me I'd dig into it.  My guess is that its some sort of special store relationship with VR.  

 

It was the same way at the two Starbucks at Copper Mountain... until they were kicked out after Powdr Corp bought the resort (little ironic).  You could use a starbucks card, but not redeem any rewards or get special cardholder deals like a free soy-milk upgrade.

 

My understanding is they were franchise Starbucks, and Copper chose not to renew the franchise at the end of the term.  They didn't want to pay the 8%, or whatever it is, franchise fee.   I always wonder if that was a mistake with the one on the I-70 exit.  I bet the Starbucks brand pulled a lot more folks off the highway than their own Sky Chutes Coffeehouse.

 

Speaking of I-70 Starbucks, the one at the Dumont exit is owned by Vail, and I believe also won't honor rewards.  Vail also owns the Breeze Ski Rentals there and the CME shuttles, every one of which stops there.   Quite the captive gold mine they have build.   Looks out UT, here they come!

post #261 of 261

I can't imagine why anyone would willingly drink the crap *$ pretends is coffee, even if they paid you. 

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