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Don't think anyone's posted this already, pretty cool.

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Wouldn't it be amazing if, rather than having another epic waste of money like Sochi or Beijing, we could get the participating countries in the Winter Olympics to donate funds or resources to the best of their ability and rebuild this place and use it for 2022? Skip the spectacle, get back to the sport.  It's a naive and idealistic thought I know, but it would be so great to see the Olympics become a tool for bettering the world as opposed to contractors and IOC officials.

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That would be cool. I kind of think they should only hold Olympics in places where they've got facilities already, even if that means dividing between more than one city. The waste is just ridiculous. 

post #4 of 22

Cool video. I really liked the flashbacks to old scenes.

 

As for the Olympics, I their model eventually has to change. Unfortunately, it will probably mean bring the IOC to its knees to make it happen. We had a discussion related to this recently when more cities pulled out of the running for 2022, leaving only 2. At some point the IOC wanting bigger and bigger venues and spectacles for a 2 week event will catch up with them. Just look at how the Olympic flame changed from here to Sochi. I know its 30 years, but it can't cost this much to host the Olympics.

 

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Great video but very sobering in terms of what happened and our ability to turn on ourselves and destroy.

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I had hoped this was a war crimes trial video for Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton.

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I remember wanting to go to Sarajevo so badly after the Olympics were held there.  So sad to see the destruction and disrepair that befell the place.

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Originally Posted by MHarry18 View Post
 

I had hoped this was a war crimes trial video for Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton.

 

There's a politics board here. Keep comments like this on there. 

post #9 of 22

In Sochi, the money spent on infrastructure, they would have spent even if it was not the Olympics.

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In the first season after the Olympics in Sochi restrict the sale of ski passes, due to the large number of tourists.

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I believe there was an avalanche at Sochi that killed people on a groomer, shortly after the area opened to the public after the paralympics. Apparently they don't use explosives to do control because of the concern that the explosives could wind up in the wrong hands. 

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Sochi olympics cost $50 billion, and I wonder how much of that went into putin's pockets.
Supposedly corruption and waste was rampant.
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In Sochi, all built from scratch. Before the Olympics there was almost no infrastructure. Road in the mountains to build expensive tunnels to do.

 

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In the first season after the Olympics in Sochi restrict the sale of ski passes, due to the large number of tourists.

 

Come back to us in 5 or 10 years and let us know how many tourists are still buying ski passes. It's one thing to sell out the first year after hosting the Olympics. But successfully generating business year after year is a completely different ball game.

 

The novelty of Sochi will wear off within a couple of seasons. And once that happens, the resort owners will have to face the fact that their competitors (resorts in the Alps) are bigger, are more convenient and easier to get to, offer more reliable snow conditions, and have better service.

 

The only potential bright side that I can see is that the Western sanctions and heavily devalued ruble could result in more Russian skiers going to Sochi who would otherwise have gone to the Alps. But, how long will that last, and how much business will that generate?

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In Sochi restrict the sale of ski passes due to the large influx of tourists.

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Since 2007, the capacity of the ski resort of Sochi has been increased 48 times, recalled the official. However, judging from the data on already arrived holidaymakers and is projected to come to the city twice as many people than the bandwidth allows the Sochi winter resorts.

 

http://www.vedomosti.ru/companies/news/37844051/kozak-v-sochi-priedet-otdyhayuschih-v-dva-raza-bolshe

post #17 of 22

In Sochi, get there faster. The airport is only 40 minutes away from the mountains.
In Sochi, a lot of hotels on the beach, of which up to mountain resorts can be reached within an hour, which reduces the price.
Snow in Sochi better than in Europe because of the proximity to the sea.

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Originally Posted by maels654 View Post
 

In Sochi, get there faster. The airport is only 40 minutes away from the mountains.
In Sochi, a lot of hotels on the beach, of which up to mountain resorts can be reached within an hour, which reduces the price.
Snow in Sochi better than in Europe because of the proximity to the sea.

 

You forgot to take into account the amount of time it takes to get to Sochi airport. For example, if I'm flying from London, I can get to Geneva, Zurich, Turin, Milan, or Venice in 2 hours or less with a direct flight. To get to Sochi, I'd have to fly to Moscow and get a connecting flight, taking at least 7.5 hours in total. So, even if I'm going to some of the most remote resorts in the Alps, which can be 3.5 hours from the nearest airport, it will still take a couple of hours less than it would for me to go to Sochi. And of course, the less remote resorts like Chamonix will take several hours less to reach.

 

As for cheaper hotels, most resorts in the Alps have nearby villages with cheaper lodging, and they're closer than an hour away.

 

Moreover, being farther south and closer to the sea makes Sochi warmer than the Alps. That leads to a shorter winter and, of course, a shorter ski season. It also means a greater risk of rain.

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You forgot to take into account the amount of time it takes to get to Sochi airport. For example, if I'm flying from London, I can get to Geneva, Zurich, Turin, Milan, or Venice in 2 hours or less with a direct flight. To get to Sochi, I'd have to fly to Moscow and get a connecting flight, taking at least 7.5 hours in total. So, even if I'm going to some of the most remote resorts in the Alps, which can be 3.5 hours from the nearest airport, it will still take a couple of hours less than it would for me to go to Sochi. And of course, the less remote resorts like Chamonix will take several hours less to reach.

 

As for cheaper hotels, most resorts in the Alps have nearby villages with cheaper lodging, and they're closer than an hour away.

 

Moreover, being farther south and closer to the sea makes Sochi warmer than the Alps. That leads to a shorter winter and, of course, a shorter ski season. It also means a greater risk of rain.

In Sochi airport introduced a regime of open skies and the number of direct flights from Europe to increase .Not need to fly through Moscow.
In these nearby villages there are so many hotels. In Sochi annually attracts about 4 million tourists, mainly in summer.
With the development of the infrastructure of ski hotels will be uploaded throughout the year, leading to a fall in prices .In Europe hotels will be filled in only in the winter.

post #20 of 22
Actually, the ONLY thing going for is the snow.

I went there in 2004 and out showed 3 meters in two weeks.

But everything is really expensive, service is horrible, and russians are rude.

I would stay away.

He is obviously a shill for the russian government, good luck buddy.
post #21 of 22

In 2004 there was almost nothing

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I had hoped this was a war crimes trial video for Wesley Clark and Bill Clinton.


Well said MHarry18!!! Bravo!

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