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Best Intermediate All-mountain Ski Value

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Asking for a friend 5'11, 165lbs who is looking to pick up a "one-ski-quiver" all mountain ski who skis mostly on-piste out west but is really wanting to get into soft snow this year and go all over the mountain (his current skis are some old carvers that have zero off-piste capability). Not looking for an expert ski with too stiff of a flex; more of an intermediate and "friendly, forgiving" ski, a confidence builder.  Value is the top consideration, then performance since budget is tight and we have no problem looking at used or last years model. Suggestions?

 

Many thanks,

LZ

post #2 of 14
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I bought my last pair of skis from them and a jacket last month.

Look at Sept's Ski magazine and read the reviews of skis and look for one that's forgiving. I'd think something with a upper 80-mid 90's waist would be a good starting point.

Check out last years Sept issue too.
post #3 of 14

Some more cheap choices in NOS (new old stock) Free shipping, includes good bindings

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Line-Prophet-85-179cm-Mens-Ski-w-AXL2-120-L-Binding-/191367914516?pt=Skiing&hash=item2c8e6aa414

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Salomon-Sentinel-177cm-Skis-w-Salomon-STH-12-Driver-Wht-Blk-Org-/191338378432?pt=Skiing&hash=item2c8ca7f4c0

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Dynastar-Outland-87-Fluid-178cm-Ski-PX-12-Bindings-/311088862419?pt=Skiing&hash=item486e5754d3

 

FYI The Dynastars have the 'Fluid' binding system meaning the bindings slide on tracks. You can mount them yourself to save money plus they are adjustable for different boot sole lengths. 

 

Hope this helps

post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thank you for the suggestions.

 

Would a Line Sick Day 95 be a good All-mountain Intermediate?

 

Or a Nordica Steadfast?

 

I ask because we have found a pair of these two locally for a pretty good deal. Out of the two I am thinking the Sick Day might be a bit easier and more versatile all mountain.

 

LZ

post #5 of 14
The steadfast is a awesome ski, if you have the skills.

I found some of the lesser known brands to have a planky fell going from edge to edge.

I did enjoy the Lines I've demoed.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by Lemon Zest View Post
 

Thank you for the suggestions.

 

Would a Line Sick Day 95 be a good All-mountain Intermediate?

 

Or a Nordica Steadfast?

 

I ask because we have found a pair of these two locally for a pretty good deal. Out of the two I am thinking the Sick Day might be a bit easier and more versatile all mountain.

 

LZ


The Lines are OK .  Soft and easy to ski for sure.  Not a horrible choice for an intermediate who is not too heavy.  But is your friend really skiing off-piste?  The issue here is that if your friend is actually skiing groomers 80% of the time (in the real, non-imaginary world) there are better choices, better tuned to that terrain, maybe a click more narrow in the 85-90mm range.  Although to be fair, many lighter folks have enjoyed the Sick Day 95s and there have been reviewers (pro and lay) who claim that the SD95 carves well - I personally didn't feel it.

 

So, one point of anecdotal data. . . I wasn't a huge fan of the SD95, which is OK.  I'm too heavy and it wasn't designed for my tastes.  But I get that others might like it.  I liked the SD110 much better - I thought that the 110 was a way better implementation of that design and layup.

 

The other thing about the Sick Days is that they ski uber-short.  At 5'11, 165#, as an intermediate, he'd fall between sizes.  His height says 186 in that ski (I'm 5'11" and I thought that the 179 felt ridiculous - and I liked the 179 in the prophet and Influence series), but for an intermediate who is mostly groomer cruising, mixing in some easy bumps and doing a bit of off-piste-101, 186 in the SD95  is way too much of the wrong ski.  179 would be workable and easy, but kind of short and insubstantial to be really great off-piste and not particularly well optimized (in my estimation) for where he is spending 80% of his time.

 

I'd look for a recommendation from a pro for a compliant ski in the 85-90 range - all the usual suspects. . . but I don't like to comment on skis I haven't tried.  I have tried Scott the Ski (175) and that would be an awesome choice for now with top end that he could grow into as he improves.  And they look cool.  But that isn't a value-play.  But really, anything well-recommended in that range would be fun and a vast improvement in terms of versatility for western all-mountain skiing.

post #7 of 14

In my opinion, which is of nebulous value, Amersports (Salomon/Atomic) have the intermediate "value" market cornered. I recommend the Salomon Q90-Q98 or the Atomic Theory for a western skier looking for a cure for their terminal intermediate status. If they're willing to spend a little more the Nordica NRGY 90 would be in the discussion as well..........and that Sick Day 95 wouldn't be a horrible option either.

post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ShopGimp View Post
 

In my opinion, which is of nebulous value, Amersports (Salomon/Atomic) have the intermediate "value" market cornered. I recommend the Salomon Q90-Q98 or the Atomic Theory for a western skier looking for a cure for their terminal intermediate status. If they're willing to spend a little more the Nordica NRGY 90 would be in the discussion as well..........and that Sick Day 95 wouldn't be a horrible option either.

 

He has a lead on a Salomon Q98 at a smoking deal. Thing is its 180cm. It seems this would be an ideal ski for him and a massive upgrade.

 

But would this be too much ski for someone 5'10" 160lbs? A 172cm isn't available and seems that would be a touch short for his height and weight anyways. Anybody have a comment on sizing this ski? Any help is appreciated.

post #9 of 14

Assuming that your buddy is a solid intermediate skier looking to bump his pay grade a notch or two, I think the 180cm length will work nice for him. It's not crazy long, so he'll be able to manipulate it through the trees, but it's not so short that he'll feel like he's pitching over the shovels in the soft stuff. Plus he'll get a little stability if he wants to let his boards run. I think 176-178cm would be his sweet spot…..but whatever. He'll be psyched.

post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

*bump*

 

Just like to get one more opinion or so on this.

 

5'11" 160lbs solid intermediate looking at a Salomon Q98 @ 180cm

 

I understand this ski has a softer flex and is good for lighter weight skiers. In all honesty I think he'll be fine on this size ski even if its a few cm longer than ideal. But maybe there is a gotcha I'm overlooking.

post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Lemon Zest View Post
 

*bump*

 

Just like to get one more opinion or so on this.

 

5'11" 160lbs solid intermediate looking at a Salomon Q98 @ 180cm

 

I understand this ski has a softer flex and is good for lighter weight skiers. In all honesty I think he'll be fine on this size ski even if its a few cm longer than ideal. But maybe there is a gotcha I'm overlooking.

You struck oil, stop drilling and then start lamenting over what is the *best intermediate binding to put on it. 

 

 

 

 

 

*Salomon Sth 12O/S or Sth2 13..either of these will add a year to warranty of the ski, so why not, they are fine bindings. 

post #12 of 14
Five year warranty ta boot.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

You struck oil, stop drilling and then start lamenting over what is the *best intermediate binding to put on it. 

 

 

 

 

 

*Salomon Sth 12O/S or Sth2 13..either of these will add a year to warranty of the ski, so why not, they are fine bindings. 

 

Lol, thanks for chiming in Phil, and you too ShopGimp. I do feel like we struck oil. These were demos with Salomon bindings in ridiculously good shape and only a few days on them at a local shop for $260. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. And thanks everyone for the feedback.

post #14 of 14

$260! Hot damn! I'm not quite sure how a shop can justify selling a demo of such a recent vintage for that price. Nice score!

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