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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

My son is 13 (will be 14 end of Dec). He's 5'4" and 103 lbs. Last year he was skiing on 2012 Volkl RTM Jr. 140 cm. He has been skiing for about 10 years but he's not a charger, more of a cruiser.

 

Will these skis be enough this year or will he over power them? Should he be on the shortest adult ski instead? If so, what do you recommend?

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 26

Fairly short, and fairly soft. Could work if he doesn't push them, but keep in mind that he's probably due for a growth spurt soon. 

post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply. I hope he has a growth spurt!! I'm only 5'4" (but I kick ass lol). He is just a tad taller than me now. Doc says he should be 5'9"- 5"10" though.

 

I forgot to mention right now it's 100% east coast.

 

I was thinking about a 150-155cm in an adult ski that isn't too stiff and pretty forgiving. I know nothing about what might fit that bill though, so some recs would be splendid!

post #4 of 26

Non-girly women's skis in the upper 140s to lower 150s (Head Mya for example). A small mens ski, even in a soft ski might be too stiff for him. But if you go men's, pay attention to construction. No metal for sure.  But he deserves better than junior skis. They are why he isn't a charger. I'm not saying good skis will make Bode Miller out of him. But he will get more agressive. And like it.

post #5 of 26

My comments from my experience:

 

My son switched from Jr.skis to adult skis at 13 - Armada TST.   This turned out to be a very good decision for him.  The Jr. skis you mentioned are short and soft, even if not charging hard, it seems he / she would be well served advancing into an appropriately sized adult ski.

post #6 of 26

Others could be Rossi Temptation, Blizzard Samba, Nordica Nemesis, Kastle LX . . . 

post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by afterburn View Post
 

  But he deserves better than junior skis. They are why he isn't a charger. I'm not saying good skis will make Bode Miller out of him. But he will get more agressive. And like it.


Exactly. I'm afraid they will hold him back this year.

post #8 of 26

I had the same situation this year with my 12 year old and went with 148 JR ski's...   Fairly flexible but the additional length should help.   He skied 138's last year with no issues.   He's really starting to carve strongly at this point.

post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 

Would the Blizzard Magnum 7.4 in 149cm work? I have a pair of 7.6 and while they perform I could see even a low intermediate on them they are so forgiving.

post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by MattL View Post

My son is 13 (will be 14 end of Dec). He's 5'4" and 103 lbs. Last year he was skiing on 2012 Volkl RTM Jr. 140 cm. He has been skiing for about 10 years but he's not a charger, more of a cruiser.

Will these skis be enough this year or will he over power them? Should he be on the shortest adult ski instead? If so, what do you recommend?

Thanks!

There are several great 'tweener' skis out there. A short Rossi Smash 7 would be great ($300). Fischer makes a couple of nice skis (Rengade), Head the Ethan Too, and Blizzard/Nordica the small Cochise/El Capo, and Salomon's Rocker2 jr. These should all work well up to around 120#.
post #11 of 26
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Others could be Rossi Temptation, Blizzard Samba, Nordica Nemesis, Kastle LX . . . 

Not the Temptation 88. It's very stiff. AD a $1000+ ski like the LX for a young teen? Not so much.

Adult ski possibilities in short lengths for light folk... Salomon Q-85 or 90, Atomic Panic, Rossi Smash 7 would be on top of my list if the OP didn't think that a Jr. ski as mentioned above would do.

I coach kids his size and age. An adult ski isn't necessarily the answer by any means with so many really great Jr. Skis out there this season.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by afterburn View Post

Others could be Rossi Temptation, Blizzard Samba, Nordica Nemesis, Kastle LX . . . 

Not the Temptation 88. It's very stiff. AD a $1000+ ski like the LX for a young teen? Not so much.

Adult ski possibilities in short lengths for light folk... Salomon Q-85 or 90, Atomic Panic, Rossi Smash 7 would be on top of my list if the OP didn't think that a Jr. ski as mentioned above would do.

I coach kids his size and age. An adult ski isn't necessarily the answer by any means with so many really great Jr. Skis out there this season.

Yes, there are many great tweenager options, the Quests mentioned, Volkl Wall, Blizzard Regulator, Armada Alpha, all good skis that will flex under a lightweight boys body that is still in transition. 

post #13 of 26
I'll second the Rocker2 Jr.

There were some up on eBay brand new for the entire summer for $199 in 150cm and 160cm, not sure if they are still there but I almost bought a pair. Just bear in mind that last year's model was progressively wider as it got longer, and I think the 160cm is 100mm waist.

He would probably love the twin tip if he's not a charger, providing of course he doesn't go ski eastern ice.
post #14 of 26

If he mainly stays on the groomers and he's not aggressive, would a jr. SL, cheater or dual event work for him. By East Coast, do you mean the small mountain where they rely on the snow guns or the snowy mountain in N Vt? Even at 5'4" he's kind of light. Then again, if he shoots up or widens out anytime soon, a jr. freeski may not be enough for him.

post #15 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks guys. Great info. This year we are staying close to home with season passes and skiing our little home hill. I don't think we need anything over 80 waist width. He was on twin tips but I put him on the Volkls last year because he isn't a jibber and never skis switch, as well as the jr twin tips were even softer. It doesn't matter though, I'm not opposed to a twin tip if it works. He thinks they're cool. He is skinny for his height but athletic and plays premier level soccer year round. Even though he doesn't charge he is carving some turns. He's just more of a finesse skier without the reckless abandon of most 13 year olds, which Mom appreciates.

post #16 of 26

They do make some awesome and pretty cool looking mid to high-end jr twins now. They aren't the typical spaghetti high production jr skis. You might want to look into that.

post #17 of 26

I feel you pain. This is a segment of the market that has ben ignored and it is a shame. There are either beginner foam core rental skis, race skis or twintips for these kids, no versatile all mountain skis that will help these kids progress. 

post #18 of 26
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Non-girly women's skis in the upper 140s to lower 150s (Head Mya for example). A small mens ski, even in a soft ski might be too stiff for him. But if you go men's, pay attention to construction. No metal for sure.  But he deserves better than junior skis. They are why he isn't a charger. I'm not saying good skis will make Bode Miller out of him. But he will get more agressive. And like it.
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

I feel you pain. This is a segment of the market that has ben ignored and it is a shame. There are either beginner foam core rental skis, race skis or twintips for these kids, no versatile all mountain skis that will help these kids progress. 

No love for the Ethan Too or the new Blizzard/Nordica ski? Just curious. I thought this year was kind of a breakthrough for jr. skis. Seriously, I'd love to hear your thoughts. It'd even be worth an article.
post #19 of 26
What about Völkl Gotama JR? Are they too soft? Think they come in 158cm.
post #20 of 26

They do, nabbed a pair for my older kid (12), but not mounted yet. You might PM Epic; his kids have skied them. Think he said they were one of the few youth soft snow skis that had adult construction features.

post #21 of 26
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They do, nabbed a pair for my older kid (12), but not mounted yet. You might PM Epic; his kids have skied them. Think he said they were one of the few youth soft snow skis that had adult construction features.

I've coached a number of kids on the jr. goats... Nice little sticks and well made. Again, there are some (what appear to be) great jr ski offerings this year. I think many commenting in this thread aren't up to date on current product.
post #22 of 26

I know a few kids in my daughters club have Gotama Jr:s to goof around on. Sandwich, wood core. Seems like solid skis.

post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

I've coached a number of kids on the jr. goats... Nice little sticks and well made. Again, there are some (what appear to be) great jr ski offerings this year. I think many commenting in this thread aren't up to date on current product.

The offerings are out there. Again, Rocker2 Jr.

http://www.evo.com/skis/salomon-rocker2-jr-boys.aspx#image=81384.Image.1.jpg&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&utm_campaign=81384

Wood core, 5-point, tip and tail splay, ABS sidewalls in the center of the ski, kid/tweener lengths and flex. There's a 150cm on eBay right now brand new last season model for $330 including Z10 bindings. Plenty of adults have something just like that in the all mountain versatile center of their quiver.
post #24 of 26

To the OP, curious what you ended up with. In the same situation with my 14 year old. He was on 138's last year but is now 5'2" and close to 110lbs.

post #25 of 26

This was/is my outcome in a similar situation, east coast family as well.

 

mid-season last year I moved my then 11 year old son from junior boots/skis to adult boots/skis (below 80 flex) because:

1) he was wearing size 8 US shoe

2) skis semi-aggressively to aggressive, including trees

3) when he was skiing aggressively he looked less stable from a distance on the junior boots/skis (in 140cm)

 

So put him in an adult boot/ski.  2012 Volkl RTM 75 in 159cm (not the IS version). Back then he was 5'0" tall, 100 lbs.  It was a lot ski for him, he was skiing black diamonds comfortably but got very tired quickly (after 2 hours of skiing).

 

Fast forward to this year, now age 12, his feet grew: 9 US, height grew: 5''1", 105 lbs. And he has no issues at all with the ski equipment, in fact he loves them, skied 5+ hours on them without any issues or fatigue.  Skiing double-blacks this year and I can't keep up with him, he passes me every time despite my best effort trying to keep up.

 

Part of the answer is it depends on the child and how aggressive they are.  If they are leisure skiing I would be hesitant to do what I did, but my son does jumps (loves being airborne) and trees.  Typically you want shorter skis for trees but the wider width helps him through the ungroomed snow.  He has no issue flexing the skis.

 

Now I'm faced with a different issue, from January of this year till now (March) he grew a full inch...if you can believe it.  I have retired and set aside my 2015 Volkl RTM 81 skis in 171cm (has metal and full rocker ski, effective edge is 168cm as result) for him when he outgrows the RTM 75 at some point.  Because the RTM 81 has a full sheet of spring steel in it, at what weight can I have him use them?  Thinking at minimum 115 lbs and 5'5" tall?  The binding DIN settings are not an issue, he is on a DIN 4 today and the RTM 81 start at DIN 4.  The settings work, saw the RTM 75 eject more than once on him properly when he was horsing around on the slopes doing some jump and landing incorrectly.

 

He skies about 18 times a season, the 2012 Volkl RTM 75 have about 28 skiing days on them from him.

post #26 of 26

If he can flex these RTM 81 comfortably and he is as aggressive as you have said, definitely up the DIN.

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