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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post

I have someone 155 slaloms that my wife has barely used that I'm happy to let go for a little bit more than shipping & I also have a pair of very used 155's which I will send you for shipping. Either would be better than all Mountain ski.


great offer irip!

post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post

I have someone 155 slaloms that my wife has barely used that I'm happy to let go for a little bit more than shipping & I also have a pair of very used 155's which I will send you for shipping. Either would be better than all Mountain ski.


great offer irip!


What he said.

I advise getting used SL and GS for cheap.  They work well enough for free-skiing (says the guy who free-skied on SG racing skis for years).

post #33 of 50

There are also two good looking pairs of lightly used Volkl's {SL and GS}  in the kid's section of the Gear Swap section of the Epic site. Check those out as an option as well. They are well priced, with bindings

 

I have two pairs of my daughters Volkl SL race skis. GS all sold, and would be too much ski anyway. A pair of 2012-2013 157cm, with 9mm Marker Piston Plates. They are MINT, better than new. Her senior year as a NCAA racer, skied about 14-16 race runs. They are the top end World Cup stock. I'd want $250, plus the shipping…..and you'd need a Marker race binding. I have 20.0's but that's WAY too much for her. Probably much more than she needs in terms of a ski. 

 

I also have a pair if the budget gets REAL lean. I think they are 2010-2011 skis. The basic WC stock women's ski hasn't changed since 2006. They are 155cm. The only difference between that and a 157cm is the tip protector. Ski is the same. This pair was used a lot that one season, as they were a "better" pair than her other two. The edge is real thin. I think they'd be good for one season, maybe two, and they'd need to be tuned with stones. BUT…….I'll ship them, with a 9mm Piston Plate on them for $90. When the edge rolls off the ski eventually, you can sell the Piston Plates for $50. 

 

Sounds like there are better options out there for you. Irip's offer sounds great. 

 

I would highly endorse getting her on a full size {155-157-158} SL ski, and on a decent GS ski. Will make a big difference in her confidence and skiing. 

post #34 of 50
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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post
 

There are also two good looking pairs of lightly used Volkl's {SL and GS}  in the kid's section of the Gear Swap section of the Epic site. Check those out as an option as well. They are well priced, with bindings

 

I have two pairs of my daughters Volkl SL race skis. GS all sold, and would be too much ski anyway. A pair of 2012-2013 157cm, with 9mm Marker Piston Plates. They are MINT, better than new. Her senior year as a NCAA racer, skied about 14-16 race runs. They are the top end World Cup stock. I'd want $250, plus the shipping…..and you'd need a Marker race binding. I have 20.0's but that's WAY too much for her. Probably much more than she needs in terms of a ski. 

 

I also have a pair if the budget gets REAL lean. I think they are 2010-2011 skis. The basic WC stock women's ski hasn't changed since 2006. They are 155cm. The only difference between that and a 157cm is the tip protector. Ski is the same. This pair was used a lot that one season, as they were a "better" pair than her other two. The edge is real thin. I think they'd be good for one season, maybe two, and they'd need to be tuned with stones. BUT…….I'll ship them, with a 9mm Piston Plate on them for $90. When the edge rolls off the ski eventually, you can sell the Piston Plates for $50. 

 

Sounds like there are better options out there for you. Irip's offer sounds great. 

 

I would highly endorse getting her on a full size {155-157-158} SL ski, and on a decent GS ski. Will make a big difference in her confidence and skiing. 

Adult SL 155 but not the Super 157/158..too much ski for her at that level. 157 ARE different skis, not just the tip. But I agree with all the above, you can get away with used at this point and this season for her and iRip has a great offer.

post #35 of 50
North Tahoe High school has a swap this weekend on the 25th

I would plan on being there early with money in hand, it starts at 9 am

In this instance the early bird may get the worm
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To the OP.  Let me know if you get sorted out with IRIP and his generous.  If not, this could continue being your lucky day.  I raked around in the back of the closet last night and to my surprise found an older 160 Rossi 9S slalom ski with Axial bindings.  Certainly not the latest technology (and why it is a 160 rather than 155, so still OK) but in good shape (or will be once I have tuned and waxed it).   Will certainly work OK for initial HS racing forays and will let you see if your daughter is going to continue or not without shelling out too much 

 

Must have come along with a bunch of other stuff and I didn't get rid of it since it still had bindings.  Yours for the taking if you collect in Tahoe.  Just provide some wine/beer to cover my tuning time:)

 

Let me know

post #37 of 50
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To the OP.  Let me know if you get sorted out with IRIP and his generous.  If not, this could continue being your lucky day.  I raked around in the back of the closet last night and to my surprise found an older 160 Rossi 9S slalom ski with Axial bindings.  Certainly not the latest technology (and why it is a 160 rather than 155, so still OK) but in good shape (or will be once I have tuned and waxed it).   Will certainly work OK for initial HS racing forays and will let you see if your daughter is going to continue or not without shelling out too much 

Must have come along with a bunch of other stuff and I didn't get rid of it since it still had bindings.  Yours for the taking if you collect in Tahoe.  Just provide some wine/beer to cover my tuning time:)

Let me know
scots is another great race ambassador for Epicski and a good ally for you to have if your daughter does continue to race. Members like Iriponsnow and Scotsskier are what make EpicSki the great community it is.
post #38 of 50
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scots is another great race ambassador for Epicski and a good ally for you to have if your daughter does continue to race. Members like Iriponsnow and Scotsskier are what make EpicSki the great community it is.

Plus infinity!  I love to see how the veterans around here go about passing their slightly used gear on to younger folks with little concern about making a buck.  Pay it forward is alive and well here in EpicSkiThumbs Up

post #39 of 50
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Thank you all for the great advice and especially to ScotsSkier, iriponsnow, Philpug, infinity, Muleski and others for the generous offers! This is a great community. I really want to give my daughter a good experience. I look forward to watching her race and skiing with her as she gets older.

Now please tell me that she only needs one pair of boots for racing and free skiing smile.gif
post #40 of 50
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Thank you all for the great advice and especially to ScotsSkier, iriponsnow, Philpug, infinity, Muleski and others for the generous offers! This is a great community. I really want to give my daughter a good experience. I look forward to watching her race and skiing with her as she gets older.

Now please tell me that she only needs one pair of boots for racing and free skiing smile.gif


yes if the boots are 150 plug boots :D

post #41 of 50
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an older 160 Rossi 9S slalom ski with Axial bindings.  Certainly not the latest technology (and why it is a 160 rather than 155, so still OK) 

These were quality slaloms, not crazy demanding but with a solid envelope. And retro is cool, let alone retro that's been tuned up by someone who know's what he's doing...

post #42 of 50

Skis come and go, but at her age, boots could be a a 5-10 year RELATIONSHIP.  Is she done growing?  If she was a boy, I would guess NOT.  But as a young woman, she might be done at least in terms of length / width.  

 

Boots should be sporty and have a "race" pedigree. No free rides or furry slippers.   No comment on flex w/o seeing her ski, but she should be able to easily flex them.  

 

Footbeds are up to you.  Do they work and make a big difference? Yep. (ps so does alignment)    Are they kinda pricey?  Depends.  

 

Bottom line is, if your feets aint happy, aint nobody happy.  Just make sure they FIT and she can FLEX them.  

 

Two more words.  Good Sox.  One of my greatest peeves as a coach is cotton gym sox (and T shirts).  No No No No.  If you are cold, you cannot train effectively.  You want to save money?  Time spent "warming up" in the lodge sipping hot chocolate at $5 per cup during training time is $$$ out the snow gun.  

 

Keep her warm, keep her safe, keep her happy.  This will make her FAST.

post #43 of 50

Last year I was out at Sugar Bowl for the first dump of the season (and the last for months). I was on Bones. The racer kids--boys and girls, 9 year oldish, were blowing by me in the heavy ungroomed crud on their GS race skis. So, yes you can free-ski on race skis if you're good (especially if I'm the competition). 

For a good part of the season the only thing decent to ski at Squaw was Dog Leg--steep, hard, and narrow--which the teen racers were training on in the morning and the afternoon. The public got to ski it over lunch. That run was seriously scary on all mountain skis. My point is--race skis are not just for performance but for safety. I could see a kid at the elementary school level getting started on all mountain gear until they decide if they like it, but not at the high school level around Tahoe.  

BTW they ran the National Championship GS on Dog Leg last season--the WC skiers said it was the hardest, steepest course they skied that season. Ligety DNF'd.

post #44 of 50
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

Last year I was out at Sugar Bowl for the first dump of the season (and the last for months). I was on Bones. The racer kids--boys and girls, 9 year oldish, were blowing by me in the heavy ungroomed crud on their GS race skis. So, yes you can free-ski on race skis if you're good (especially if I'm the competition). 

For a good part of the season the only thing decent to ski at Squaw was Dog Leg--steep, hard, and narrow--which the teen racers were training on in the morning and the afternoon. The public got to ski it over lunch. That run was seriously scary on all mountain skis. My point is--race skis are not just for performance but for safety. I could see a kid at the elementary school level getting started on all mountain gear until they decide if they like it, but not at the high school level around Tahoe.  

BTW they ran the National Championship GS on Dog Leg last season--the WC skiers said it was the hardest, steepest course they skied that season. Ligety DNF'd.

 

Yup, it was pretty intimidating!  I was working on-hill for the Nationals doing course slips - great views but had to be wake to stay upright.  The slalom was actually even more slick.  I couldn't work out why, when there was supposedly about 30 guys lined up for course slips that me and my buddy (both of us on well-used FIS slaloms) seemed to be constantly the only ones going down the course and round again.   Then we realized that most of them were standing watching at the side because they couldn't stay upright on the course!!!  Yeah, tell me again how good all-mountain skis are on a slick hill......;) 

post #45 of 50
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Originally Posted by mcross View Post
 

Thanks everyone for the advice. This is what I need.

 

OK.  So it sounds like I definitely need a race ski.  I'll do that.  Do I need two sets of skis?

 

My daughter's decision to join the ski team was a last minute thing.  Up until now, she has been year round volleyball player.

 

As a father of three teenagers, I can only do so much.

 

She's 15.  5'4" weighs 123 lbs.  Has done some racing, and was the strongest skier on her team, but it's been a few years.

 

We don't live in Tahoe, so my access to ski swaps is somewhat limited.


I'd agree with the above, but take it in stages. Grab her a 155 SL race or "Detuned" race ski (like a non-FIS slalom like Rossi Short Term Hero or Head i.SL, etc) see how she likes it as she first gets on snow. Then if she's serious, go with a shorter GS ski that will keep her competitive, but not throw her off or that she's fighting the ski (pbby 165 or 170 as said above. Ask her coach for input). 

 

Grab one of the used, new ($550) or slightly used skis the guys mentioned above. She'll start the season getting back into it on the SL ski, so see after a few training days if she wants to go for GS as well. She can still run the training course on her SL skis to get the hang of it. The aim of the GS ski in the course is not just about speed, but the longer GS ski also feels more stable at high speeds (stable = confidence). Cheers!

post #46 of 50
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post
 


To the OP.  Let me know if you get sorted out with IRIP and his generous.  If not, this could continue being your lucky day.  I raked around in the back of the closet last night and to my surprise found an older 160 Rossi 9S slalom ski with Axial bindings.  Certainly not the latest technology (and why it is a 160 rather than 155, so still OK) but in good shape (or will be once I have tuned and waxed it).   Will certainly work OK for initial HS racing forays and will let you see if your daughter is going to continue or not without shelling out too much 

 

Must have come along with a bunch of other stuff and I didn't get rid of it since it still had bindings.  Yours for the taking if you collect in Tahoe.  Just provide some wine/beer to cover my tuning time:)

 

Let me know


Dude... AWWWWWESOME!

post #47 of 50
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Now please tell me that she only needs one pair of boots for racing and free skiing smile.gif

Yup.  Just make sure the race boots are a good fit.  My old race boots are so much better for free sking than my new comfy boots.  Unless she spends all day outside in some place really cold (like northern Ontario Canada), then she might want something a little warmer than her race boots so she won't have to worry about loosing toes.  Some of the kids here have the electric heaters in their boots.  Seem's to me like that might work too.

post #48 of 50
So for SL you have it figured out with the 155s. She is a strong skier and will get close to and through the gates quickly... She needs the safety gear: race helmet with detachable chin guard 120-300$, race gloves with padding (i just re fractured on my dirt bike, a pinkie first fractured hitting a SL gate), two sets of cheap poles 100$, one with SL guards 50$, shin guards 80$. No cardboard.

Reliableracing.com has some good warm swix racing gloves for 50$ under closeouts. You should find some race helmets on sale somewhere too. The Shred mega Buckets are good value.

For GS - this is where you have some options of a wider not WC ski around 18m radius, good for some all mountaineering as well. Something decently stiff Like a fischer RC or something like that - I'm not up to date on ski models. Something under 80mm underfoot, 175cm or so, 18m radius, sandwich construction, not rockered.

Good luck
post #49 of 50

I have a Marker (size medium) race helmet with chin guard (chin guard new, helmet in used but great condition), a brand new Salomon backguard (small - should fit your girl) and a pair like-new size 7.5 (about medium woman) Reusch gloves with hard knuckles. PM me if you're interested in any or all of those.

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