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Atomic Blackeye Ti vs Smoke Ti

post #1 of 13
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Hello!

 

Just recently joined this forum as I've started looking for some information on skis before I buy a new pair.

 

I come from a sunny country with almost no snow (Portugal), and in the past only skied on vacation with friends. So basically for fun and laughs. Over two years ago I moved to Switzerland, so skiing become the main activity during winter weekends.

 

I've rented skis for the past two seasons, and now I believe it's the time to buy my own. Following the 5-question guideline on this section:

 

- I ski the Alps (French and Swiss mainly).

- Mainly on groomed tracks with the occasional off-track just for fun.I would say 80-90% of the time is groomed runs.

- Around 20-30 days per season

- Intermediate skier, looking to progress technique to more advanced levels

- 5'8, 165 lbs

 

Initially I was looking into the Head Rev 75's but after a few talks with friends I started looking into the Atomic Nomad Ti series namely the Blackeye Ti and the Smoke Ti models. Read some good reviews about them, and I definitely prefer the look of the Atomic's so I am more leaning toward those (on top of that I can get very good deals on Atomic).

 

So, between the Nomad Blackeye Ti and the Nomad Smoke Ti, which ones would you guys recommend?  Went to some local shops, but they always tend to favor some brands/models they selected to carry for the season, so I'm not sure what is honest info or what is sales talk.

 

Any help is greatly appreciated!

post #2 of 13

Have not skied either, but according to various reviews, the Blackeye is - besides being an all-mountain compared to the more frontside Smoke - a bit stiffer. Both apparently are nice skis; I see a lot of Blackeyes here in the U.S. northeast, which has snow similar to Europe, just less of it. Not so many Smokes, not sure why. 

post #3 of 13

The Head Rev series is much softer under 80mm wide. A big limitation of the series in my opinion. 

 

I would say the blackeye Ti is a great choice. I made a similar move at your stage of development a few years ago. I went from rental skis to Head Rev80 Pro (which is where the lineup get really stiff).  It took me two solid days of skiing to stop regretting my choice. During this time, the skis taught me to be a much better skier and eventually, I was able to keep up with them**. A season later I had progressed past them and replaced them. 

 

If you want to progress, you definitely need a stiff ski. But I would try to go under 80 mm and stay on-piste for now. Later you might want a 2 ski quiver or just move up to a mid 80s "all mountain" as long as it is stiff and strong. 

 

**Hint: They are going to throw you in the back seat coming out of turns which is going to make the tails want to hook. Stay aggressive and don't be afraid. Speed is what makes these skis work right. It doesn't take blazing speed, but ifyou are having trouble controlling them, speed up, strike an aggressive (more forward) stance and try again. 

post #4 of 13

I would recommend checking out the non-Ti model, the Atomic Blackeye. I rented a pair at Whistler last season and really enjoyed them. The Blackeye is a well-rounded all mountain ski for the progressing intermediate skier. The Blackeye Ti model is more focused toward the advanced skier and could be too aggressive for you at this point, but of course don't take my word for it, go out and demo some boards! 

post #5 of 13

To be fair, I weigh 30lbs more than the OP. I still think stiffer is the way to go. I progressed so quickly once I learned how to bite back when those skis bit me, that if I had gone for something more intermediate I would have outgrown them in no time. But, like I said, I am quite a bit heaver than the OP and that makes a huge difference. All I had to do was "get up on it" to make those things obey. 

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

Have not skied either, but according to various reviews, the Blackeye is - besides being an all-mountain compared to the more frontside Smoke - a bit stiffer. Both apparently are nice skis; I see a lot of Blackeyes here in the U.S. northeast, which has snow similar to Europe, just less of it. Not so many Smokes, not sure why. 

 

Eventually one of the resident Atomic retailers or truly knowledgeable evangelists will step in and help out here. Meanwhile the Smoke appears to be a lower end ski, which is reflected in the much lower suggested retail price. Presumably a lot of of this is about the quality of the core - "cap fiber core" vs. "woodcore ti," according to the Atomic site. This fits a pattern many of us recognize from the last few years, in which the narrower skis in a brand's all-mountain range, which you'd think might be the beefier, edgier models more suited for hard snow, are in fact the opposite. Meanwhile the wider models are the ones built for more highly skilled skiers and higher speeds. This makes a little more sense when you consider that skiers who REALLY want to be arcing turns on boilerplate and know how to do it will be on something from the race line or a near relative. Meanwhile the people who would choose a narrower ski from a brand's "all-mountain" range are often the ones skiing off piste in their minds but staying on the groomers in practice. At some level they know this and split the difference.

 

In any case the owner of my favorite shop (well respected here on Epic), who can ski more or less whatever he wants, is a staunch supporter of the Blackeye Ti and uses it as his personal everyday ski here in Maine. So until and unless some folks who have actually BEEN on recent incarnations of these two skis chime in, I would tend to lean toward the Blackeye over the Smoke unless you know that your ambition level is low. Mind you, this from the guy who just posted on another thread that he really has no idea how to evaluate skis.

post #7 of 13

smoke is the entry level model and is made out of fiber.  where blackeye is made out of wood.

The smoke is going to be lighter and nimbler and should be easier to bend.  It also has a little bit of a smaller radius making it easier to turn.


If you're more advanced, the entry level will be not have enough mass, it will flop around at speed, and potentially you will feel you are overpowering it. 

 

So smoke if you're really more of a beginner and want something very easy to ski and improve your skills, and ski at slow or medium speeds usually.

 

Blackeye and up if you are at a level where you just about parallel carved turns nailed, and when you turn, you know how to work to press your skis into the snow harder and harder to keep the g forces up and your carves clean, versus just "surviving" the turn and you are slowing down and redirecting your motion (steering) and don't have gforces pressing you into the snow.

 

I owned the model prior to smoke as my first owned ski until I broke it (I suppose that means I grew out of it), current own the blackeye -2generations that comes out for rock and early season, and skied -1generation blackeye ti for 4days last year on vacation.)

post #8 of 13
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I owned the model prior to smoke as my first owned ski until I broke it (I suppose that means I grew out of it), current own the blackeye -2generations that comes out for rock and early season, and skied -1generation blackeye ti for 4days last year on vacation.)

 

A bit of a thread drift here, but you say that you broke it? How did that happen? Apart from park rats, and skiiers at a really high level hucking huge drops off-piste, I don't think I have seen anyone break aski...

 

I'm interested in hiw this could happen?

post #9 of 13

search for broken ski, there are a few threads, it's not completely uncommon.  I broke it traversing a mogul field at basically walking speed and it hit an icier mogul.  The ski could've been weakened by something else, but that was what caused the crunch.

 

here is my post with pic:

http://www.epicski.com/t/127009/your-ski-destruction-thread#post_1712539

post #10 of 13

impressive!

 

this one also makes me wonder what I would do if I was high up somewhere and it happened to me :eek:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cty1l9kWAOc#t=50

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the replies guys! :)

 

Going on some of the points mentioned above, I'm starting to lean more and more towards the Blackeye Ti's.

 

Last season was that I was not feeling confident with the rented skis when I started to push them harder/faster when carving, since they were too soft. So I definitely need a harder ski, and I'm don't have any problem at all in pushing them hard. In fact I think I will quite like it as it will make me work harder at progressing my technique.

At the end of the day I will still get a lot of ski from a season, so I prefer to get something a bit more challenging but that will last me longer than buying something I will outgrow quickly.

post #12 of 13
I dont think you will regret it.
post #13 of 13

Blackeye Ti is very solid and fun. It's a bit stiff in the tip for bumps, but goes anywhere and cruises through crud. I've enjoyed mine very much! 

 

Smoke is cheaper, but not a great ski long term. My 2 cents...

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