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Have the 35M GS skis reduced knee injuries on the WC?

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Like the title says...Have the 35M GS skis reduced knee injuries on the WC?

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the skeptic in me says no more than any other FIS mandated ski design requirement...

it sure is fun watching 120lb kids trying to steer them though

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Originally Posted by waxman View Post
 

the skeptic in me says no more than any other FIS mandated ski design requirement...

it sure is fun watching 120lb kids trying to steer them though

Perhaps, but go back to 1980 and lots of 100 pound kids were steering them at 204 and 210 cms just fine;)

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Perhaps, but go back to 1980 and lots of 100 pound kids were steering them at 204 and 210 cms just fine;)

Not through a course set like they are now!

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I recall reading something the summer before the 35m rule was implemented that there was only one documented knee injury in GS the prior season at the WC level. So... there would have to be zero injuries for there to be an improvement. At the local club level there are far fewer injuries in GS because kids have just stopped ski racing. There are a lot fewer injuries when you cut the field in half over the course of a few seasons.

 

Where the bulk of the injuries occurred: SPEED EVENTS.

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I recall reading something the summer before the 35m rule was implemented that there was only one documented knee injury in GS the prior season at the WC level. So... there would have to be zero injuries for there to be an improvement. At the local club level there are far fewer injuries in GS because kids have just stopped ski racing. There are a lot fewer injuries when you cut the field in half over the course of a few seasons.

 

Where the bulk of the injuries occurred: SPEED EVENTS.

I think lower stand height has made a bigger difference than side cut radius!

 

No More DOUBLE STACKS! :D

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Thank god they reduced the stack height since they also reduced the waist. They made the skis more reactive to being on edge by making them narrower... If they hadn't lowered the stack, they would have increased the number of injuries substantially.

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HeluvaSkier it think you recall data from last season not from before the change ;) This is my post from almost exactly one year ago:

 

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Until now it was about 8 to 9 injuries a year (in World cup only), where knee ligaments were damaged. Last year there were only 4, and even this, only one single one in GS, all other 3 were in speed (based on info from dr. Hans Spring, who is chief doctor of Swiss men team).

 

But thing is, one or even two years it's just too short period to draw any conclusion. So let's wait a bit longer and we will see, but thing is, it doesn't look all that bad as it was predicted by some.

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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
 

Thank god they reduced the stack height since they also reduced the waist. They made the skis more reactive to being on edge by making them narrower... If they hadn't lowered the stack, they would have increased the number of injuries substantially.

 

I am a bit confused skis now have wider waists!   Atomic FIS GS in a 191 has a 68.5mm waist and in a 183 is 67MM

 

 

 

Atomic FIS SL in a 165 are 66.5  Hugely wide for a SL historically


Edited by Atomicman - 10/17/14 at 9:08am
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The rules allow for a narrower waist now than they did a few seasons ago. Down to 65mm I think. I don't know how many have chosen to go that narrow though. My preference is wider and it makes sense from a stack height perspective... But the rules allow for narrower

On my older GS boards some are as wide as 68mm. Probably depends on the manufacturer.
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