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Building a 1 ski Do all quiver for the West Sin7/Soul7 with AT bindings

post #1 of 20
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Its been a while since ive been on these forums and ive gotten into AT and slack country touring a bit.  So i'm looking to build a 1 ski, 1 binding Do all system for the 10-15 days I get per year.  Call it 50/50 AT and Resort.  Lets say i have 3000$ to spend.  (obviously i dont want to spend all of it but of course)

 

Skier height  - 178cm

Skier weight - 153 lbs

Skier preference - Steep runs.  Kicking horse is my favorite

Ski areas - in bounds - kicking horse BC, Lake louise alberta, Revy BC

Din setting - typically around 7-8 for my body weight.  Dont seem to ever pre release at those settings.  Im not stomping mad cliffs all the time

 

 

 

So here are the choices ive narrowed down to

 

Bindings -

 

Dynafit Beast 14 - This seems like the more durable option but its 250$ more then the vipec.  You also have to take the ski off to switch between walk and ski

 

Fritschi Daimir Vipec 12 - I like the price on this one a bit more, and I like the fact that you can go between ski and walk seamlessly.  But it doesnt look all that durable.  Din settings up to 10 is enough but im nervous about how it will go on piste

 

Skis - Im a rossi whore and am willing to cart a bit of extra weight on my AT days to have either of the two skis im going to list with me

 

Soul 7 OR Sin 7 - 180cm

 

I currently have a 188 cm S7.  Its too unweildy for my weight and skiing style.  Need something a bit shorter.  180 should do nicely.  Im not going to waste my days resort skiing when there is no new snow but Ill still need to ski off the bottoms and like the odd carving run.  Im torn between the 106 and the 98 widths.  The 116 of the S7 i currently ski seems like too much for an everyday ski, but i dont know if 98 is enough for the pow days.  I also really like the way the old s7 would do alot of the damping work for me.  Ill loose a bit of that damping with the binding choices i listed above so i was leaning towards the softer soul 7 to fill that gap.

 

Basically im just musing here and looking for ideas or things i havent thought of.  Ill be hunting slack country with this setup as well.  Kicking horse has a ton of inbounds terrain that you can tour up which is nice.

post #2 of 20

I'd go Soul 7 with the Dynafit Beast 14. Better binding and better ski for your needs.

post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

Is it reasonable to assume that these things can dual duty, do the resort days safely and also ski the back country? obviously its not going to be the best groomer ski or the best AT ski.  I just want to slim the quiver down to 1 if I can.  That would make me pretty damned happy

post #4 of 20

Dynafit Radical FT or Plum Guide on the Rossi Soul 7.

post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by cmsummit View Post
 

Dynafit Radical FT or Plum Guide on the Rossi Soul 7.

Radical FT 2.0 would be ok.  They brought over the tech from the beast to the Radical. At least some of it anyway.  I know nothing about the plum guide other then im not aware of any retailer in canada.

post #6 of 20
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Radical FT 2.0 would be ok. 

 

Of course it would.  Do you really think you need a 14 DIN when you weigh 153lbs and ski 10-15 days per year?  Have you ever seen what/where/how Eric Hjorleifson skis on the Dynafit Radical? 

post #7 of 20
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Of course it would.  Do you really think you need a 14 DIN when you weigh 153lbs and ski 10-15 days per year?  Have you ever seen what/where/how Eric Hjorleifson skis on the Dynafit Radical?

the din isnt the issue.  I would ski a 10 din if i could find one with the toe release the new tech has.  I used to ski more days, and still ski fairly aggressively but im no pro.  I havent seen those bindings locally.  if i can find a set, thats what ide use.  I may end up ordering a set but MEC takes good care of its customers in canada and they wont get it for quite a few more months.

post #8 of 20

The Sin isn't super floaty in deep snow.  I'm about ten pounds heavier than you, and I skied the 180 at Winter Park after a couple of 8 inch storms.  Most places on the mountain they were great, but where the snow was deep, I sank, and so did they.  Being an East Coast skier, my deep snow technique is lousy, but the Sins didn't help.  (I wanted a pair of Souls, but the demo shop was out.)  

 

People say the Soul has more float, but that it's not a dedicated pow ski.

post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by cmsummit View Post
 

 

Of course it would.  Do you really think you need a 14 DIN when you weigh 153lbs and ski 10-15 days per year?  Have you ever seen what/where/how Eric Hjorleifson skis on the Dynafit Radical? 


Lol. Using Eric as an example really isn't worth while. For one Hoji often uses frankenstein dynafit combo's - Speed Radical toe with FT heels and so on, he also always locks out the toe when he skis. So unless the OP is a very balanced skier and is fine with a lack of elasticity in his bindings OR is okay with having no release (locking the toe) to ski on then sure, they would be enough for him.

 

To the OP, I highly suggest against either the Plum or the even the Radical FT for that matter. For the amount of resort skiing you'll be doing (~50%), they simply don't make sense. Of the options you've listed I'd lean towards the Beast, and I'd suggest you to consider the 16. Same heel as the 14, but a much more elastic and rigid toe, you wouldn't have to worry about prereleasing without locking the toe while skiing hard inbounds. The 14 would still be a MUCH better option then regular Radicals or Plums, just not quite as good of a toe for inbounds skiing as the 16.

 

Other options you could consider (cheaper then Beast 16's) -

 

Radical 2.0 - same toe as the Beast 14, just uses the Radical heel. Still have toe elasticity on the new model as well as forward pressure on the heel. These would be a good option but won't have the same ski ability of the Beasts, mainly inbounds.

 

G3 Ion - new bindings for this year, however they have been tested extensively the last 4 years by G3. Forward pressure of the heel, and in my opinion, compared to the Radical/2.0, a much better product. Less plastic, same weight, better retention toe springs.

 

Vipec - like you mentioned there has been some durability issues with them, but from what I hear they ski well. The most appealing thing with the Vipec's is the toe din, only tech bindings on the market with actual adjustable release on the toe, so definitely keep that in mind. Many of the first year issues might have been fixed by Fritschi.

 

I still think the Beast 16's are the way to go, 14's at the very least. Do you already have boots with tech inserts or is that something you'll need to buy as well?


Edited by tsk94 - 10/14/14 at 6:10pm
post #10 of 20

Just my opinion but a tech binding would suck for a single ski resort/slackcountry quiver of one.   At your weight, the number of days you ski, 50/50 - your money would be better spent on a Marker Tour F12 or F10.

 

IF you haven't already, spend some of that money on some avalanche safety equipment and take an avalanche safety class instead of buying an overpriced and over kill tech binding.

post #11 of 20
What boots and bindings were you on when you found the S7's unweildy?
post #12 of 20
The Beast and Vipec are the only tech bindings that have made a strong effort to introduce flex and elasticity to the tech binding world. I haven't ridden either but if I was trying to build a one-ski quiver like the OP, those are the bindings I'd choose from. The 14 DIN doesn't have anything to do with it - it's how the binding skis.

I think those two bindings and others like them that follow have, or will, change the paradigm of tech binding use for in-bounds.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

What boots and bindings were you on when you found the S7's unweildy?

it was the length of them for my body weight that made them unweildy.  They were fine until things got tight and then the 188 cm length and long turning radius and the fact that i just had to manhandle them.

 

once i do this, ill probably miss my little contact 10 carving skis, but doing 10-15 days a year (maybe more if i can swing it) I just dont want to be switching skis all the time

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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

The Beast and Vipec are the only tech bindings that have made a strong effort to introduce flex and elasticity to the tech binding world. I haven't ridden either but if I was trying to build a one-ski quiver like the OP, those are the bindings I'd choose from. The 14 DIN doesn't have anything to do with it - it's how the binding skis.

I think those two bindings and others like them that follow have, or will, change the paradigm of tech binding use for in-bounds.

 

This exactly.  I did a bit of AT last year and enjoyed it.  and as another person said ill be spending some money and getting my AST1 cert this year for sure as well as a good beacon.

 

Its the first time ive seen equipment that can dual duty.  I am still considering the beast 16s but the 860$ price tag hurts.  The other list topper is that radical 2.0 as it seems to have enough to get the job done.

 

I am still throwing the idea around of going with a plate style FT10 or FT12 binding as well.  just not sure yet.  There is so much to do research wise still.

 

Good news is i have already located skis and skins.  A set of lightly used soul 7's from last year (unchanged for this year) with touring bindings and skins for 950$.  Ill be selling the bindings and replacing them with something else.

post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by rug wheelie View Post
 

Just my opinion but a tech binding would suck for a single ski resort/slackcountry quiver of one.   At your weight, the number of days you ski, 50/50 - your money would be better spent on a Marker Tour F12 or F10.

 

IF you haven't already, spend some of that money on some avalanche safety equipment and take an avalanche safety class instead of buying an overpriced and over kill tech binding.


Yeah, after further consideration I'm going to have to agree with this.  I know the OP was presenting us with an ideal situation, but we should probably be more realistic about it.  As an aspiring bc traveler and given the handful of days he hopes to get, his money would be better spend on a non-tech frame binding. 

 

 

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Lol. Using Eric as an example really isn't worth while. For one Hoji often uses frankenstein dynafit combo's - Speed Radical toe with FT heels and so on, he also always locks out the toe when he skis. So unless the OP is a very balanced skier and is fine with a lack of elasticity in his bindings OR is okay with having no release (locking the toe) to ski on then sure, they would be enough for him.

 

 

I used Hoji as an example as testament to the dependability and durability of today's tech bindings.  You can't stomp 50' airs if the equipment isn't up to the task.  As it turns out, the OP is more concerned with the elasticity in the toe found on the new Radical 2.0 & Beast and not so much the overall DIN values as I originally thought.  I know one thing for sure- I would stay away from a first year product like the Vipec.

post #15 of 20

:Ott

post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by cmsummit View Post

... I know one thing for sure- I would stay away from a first year product like the Vipec.

FYI the Vipec is currently in it's second year of production, and has substantial V.2 improvements:
https://www.wildsnow.com/14680/diamir-vipec-12-inline-changes-2014-2015/
post #17 of 20

Marker is also releasing the Kingpin in limited quantities this year.  5-10 DIN at $599 MSRP.  6-13 DIN at $649 MSRP.  Just a guess but street price will probably be $50 cheaper.  Two retractable brake sizes that cover 75-100 and 100-125.  Even with the first year crash test dummy factor I would buy this before I would buy a Beast.

 

Comprehensive review over at Wild Snow.

https://www.wildsnow.com/14363/marker-kingpin-binding-review/

 

I still think you should just get a tour F10 or F12 for $400.

 

 

 

 

post #18 of 20

Kingpins would be a good option as well, however I would be wary of buying any first year product, even from a company as big as marker. This is their first tech binding. Undoubtedly there will be issues in the first production year. If you are willing to take that risk, then they could be the best option of the bunch. Otherwise I'd still suggest the Beast.

 

 

Just to throw an idea out there, why not consider inserts or swap plates? You could run a regular alpine binding and a cheaper, lighter dynafit for touring (Speed Radical/Turn). Would cost less then Beast 16's, probably about the same as 14's, but you'd be better off both ways. You'd have a better binding inbounds, and something lighter and more efficient for touring.


Edited by tsk94 - 10/17/14 at 9:29pm
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by rug wheelie View Post

 

 

I still think you should just get a tour F10 or F12 for $400.

 

 

This seems so reasonable to me. If you were doing long tours the weight of a tech setup would be really helpful. But if you're only skinning a couple of miles at a time on an irregular basis an alpine focused binding makes a lot of sense. 

 

Tell us more about your past (not just anticipated) back/slack/side country adventures? How long are we talking -- full day hikes for lines or a 30 minute skin out of the resort?

post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by tsk94 View Post
Just to throw an idea out there, why not consider inserts or swap plates? You could run a regular alpine binding and a cheaper, lighter dynafit for touring (Speed Radical/Turn). Would cost less then Beast 16's, probably about the same as 14's, but you'd be better off both ways. You'd have a better binding inbounds, and something lighter and more efficient for touring.

THIS is also a very good idea.

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