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post #31 of 52

Left at 8:30 last night...took me 79 minutes to drive the 72 miles from door to door.  Visibility did suck but I'm used to it and I only used 3/4 of tank of washer fluid.

post #32 of 52
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These angry people talk which has to hurt tourism.

Nobody comes here anymore because it is too crowded... 

post #33 of 52


Nathanvg,

 

Regarding the metering at the tunnel entrances, primary reason they do that is to prevent cars from getting backed up and stopped inside the tunnel when traffic at the outlet side is backed up. There would be chaos if a fire broke out inside the tunnel and it was full of cars. Or if a medical emergency occurred, they wouldn't be able to get to the problem.

 

And the metering down in Silverthorne is to try and limit the amount of traffic that backs up at the tunnels, to avoid exactly what you mention - stopped cars on the incline. I agree with bounceswoosh - if one doesn't have decent tires on your vehicle, don't drive it up if you know it's going to snow. If renting and driving up, pay the extra and rent a 4 wheel drive vehicle.

 

There is no magic wand for getting the roads fixed in this state. Too many people do not want to spend more on taxes. My wife and I understand the need to spend money on infrastructure (and would vote for taxing/spending in this case), but too many folks are too bull-headed about "big government" and anti-taxing, so there you have one reason for the "not in your lifetime" comment.

post #34 of 52
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Nathanvg,

 

Regarding the metering at the tunnel entrances, primary reason they do that is to prevent cars from getting backed up and stopped inside the tunnel when traffic at the outlet side is backed up. There would be chaos if a fire broke out inside the tunnel and it was full of cars. Or if a medical emergency occurred, they wouldn't be able to get to the problem.

 

And the metering down in Silverthorne is to try and limit the amount of traffic that backs up at the tunnels, to avoid exactly what you mention - stopped cars on the incline. I agree with bounceswoosh - if one doesn't have decent tires on your vehicle, don't drive it up if you know it's going to snow. If renting and driving up, pay the extra and rent a 4 wheel drive vehicle.

 

There is no magic wand for getting the roads fixed in this state. Too many people do not want to spend more on taxes. My wife and I understand the need to spend money on infrastructure (and would vote for taxing/spending in this case), but too many folks are too bull-headed about "big government" and anti-taxing, so there you have one reason for the "not in your lifetime" comment.

 

 

You and your wife must be really smart, caring, compassionate people compared to all those bull-headed neanderthals:rolleyes

post #35 of 52

My secret I-70 traffic remedy for stormy days is to just avoid I-70. (If I don't have the option to leave at a guaranteed low-traffic time). 

 

Hwy 9 over Hoosier Pass and then into Denver on 285 is under-appreciated. I'm always shocked at how much smoother the drive is than I-70 in a storm. Why? Because people who intentionally opt for Hoosier on a stormy night know how to drive in the snow and have the vehicles for it. 

 

Longer route, yes, but I'd rather have a predictable 3 - 4 hour drive that doesn't cause me to pull my hair out than a 2 to possibly 7 hour drive from hell.

post #36 of 52
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The section where there is no room next to the median divider is the toll-lane construction project I linked to above.  That should be fixed by next ski season.

No lane lines and no reflectors is pretty much a constant.  They paint the lines each fall, but they wear off quickly with the harsh conditions.   They also wash the reflectors during dry spells, but that doesn't last long.  I should say they used to do those things.  I'm not so sure about CDOT anymore, as it sure feels like they're cutting back budgets everywhere, including snow plowing.

I've probably driven close to 1000 trips on I-70.   I still avoid it at night, if possible.    It's so much safer to drive when there is light.

They did put those cool lane line LEDs in east of the twin tunnels, though.   
http://www.kunc.org/post/cdot-tests-experimental-led-lighting-i-70

I love those LED lane lights. Hope they can do more.

I-70 at night heading east from Eisenhower, between mag chloride making your headlight covers opaque and a perfect gradient to both be blinded by oncoming traffic and have little proper spread of the remaining 10% headlamp lumens not blocked by the aforementioned MgCl, is pretty much just guesswork driving.

We took Route 40 through Soda Creek last night just to get away from the incessant MagSpray (TM) and it was a gorgeous drive through about 3" of unplowed snow for a few miles.

"Some kind of help is the kind of help we all could do without." (Sing it smile.gif )
post #37 of 52
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Regarding the metering at the tunnel entrances, primary reason they do that is to prevent cars from getting backed up and stopped inside the tunnel when traffic at the outlet side is backed up. There would be chaos if a fire broke out inside the tunnel and it was full of cars. Or if a medical emergency occurred, they wouldn't be able to get to the problem.

Preventing backups in the tunnel is a good safety idea but you should be able to do that with only the Silverthorn meter location.  There aren't any exits between there and the tunnel so it's just a matter of letting the right rate of flow in Silverthorn.  Such an approach would also prevent stops on the uphill.

 

It's bad now but just think how bad it will be in 20 years if we don't start on a significant improvement.  On weekends, it's gone from a rush "hour" to a rush "8 hours."  Friday night is problematic now too.  I'm no expert but I've had a lot of bad non-weekend days recently too.  A little snow just about any day and you can be hosed.  If not for us, lets do it for the children (only slightly kidding).

post #38 of 52
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Preventing backups in the tunnel is a good safety idea but you should be able to do that with only the Silverthorn meter location.  There aren't any exits between there and the tunnel so it's just a matter of letting the right rate of flow in Silverthorn.  Such an approach would also prevent stops on the uphill.

 

It's bad now but just think how bad it will be in 20 years if we don't start on a significant improvement.  On weekends, it's gone from a rush "hour" to a rush "8 hours."  Friday night is problematic now too.  I'm no expert but I've had a lot of bad non-weekend days recently too.  A little snow just about any day and you can be hosed.  If not for us, lets do it for the children (only slightly kidding).

 

Problem is there are three lanes going up the west tunnel approach, but the tunnel is only two lanes.  That requires metering at the tunnel in addition to Silverthorne.   

 

Agreed, something needs to be done, and it looks like the best that will happen is whatever a toll lane can support.   Toll lanes are funding road improvement in the Denver Metro.   The difference is there are 10 rush hours/week year round in Denver to generate revenue.  There are only 4 rush hours/week for 6-7 months per year on I-70 in the mountains.  (Believe it or not, traffic is actually worse in the summer!).  I'm doubtful that revenue will fund the needed improvements on I-70 in the mountains.

 

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I-70 at night heading east from Eisenhower, between mag chloride making your headlight covers opaque and a perfect gradient to both be blinded by oncoming traffic and have little proper spread of the remaining 10% headlamp lumens not blocked by the aforementioned MgCl, is pretty much just guesswork driving.

We took Route 40 through Soda Creek last night just to get away from the incessant MagSpray (TM) and it was a gorgeous drive through about 3" of unplowed snow for a few miles.
 

 

Anybody think, maybe, the expensive orange Rain-X washer fluid helps?  Or, am I just squirting money away with my wishful thinking? 

post #39 of 52
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Preventing backups in the tunnel is a good safety idea but you should be able to do that with only the Silverthorn meter location.  There aren't any exits between there and the tunnel so it's just a matter of letting the right rate of flow in Silverthorn.  Such an approach would also prevent stops on the uphill.

It's bad now but just think how bad it will be in 20 years if we don't start on a significant improvement.  On weekends, it's gone from a rush "hour" to a rush "8 hours."  Friday night is problematic now too.  I'm no expert but I've had a lot of bad non-weekend days recently too.  A little snow just about any day and you can be hosed.  If not for us, lets do it for the children (only slightly kidding).

Friday night is not a problem at all.......I drive it every Friday night and it has never taken me more than 80 minutes.
post #40 of 52
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Anybody think, maybe, the expensive orange Rain-X washer fluid helps?  Or, am I just squirting money away with my wishful thinking? 

I like it generally. I don't know if it helps for Mag Chloride, I don't think so.
post #41 of 52
Thread Starter 

Weather forecast is (un)favorable for heavy traffic this weekend.

 

Think Snow!

post #42 of 52

My kid did a cross country bicycle trip which was on back roads, of course, except that they did have to go on I 70, which happened to be on Sunday, July 5. And of course they were going much faster than the cars. (They did get off at every exit and then back on--one year a rider was killed by a truck exiting the freeway as the rider was crossing the ramp).

post #43 of 52

Overpass for exit 240 (Idaho springs, state route 103 by kum and go) on I-70 is partially open now. Still under construction but you can drive on it now.

post #44 of 52

Feel free to bitch moan and complain

 

Hello PIO Partners,

CDOT is conducting an online survey about I-70 winter operations to get feedback about how this year went and to help them plan for next year. We are hoping that anyone (Front Range and mountain residents) who traveled the Mountain Corridor this winter will head to winter.codot.gov/survey and take the survey.   Can you please push this out to your constituents? 

Thank you!

Margaret Bowes, Program Manager

post #45 of 52
Thread Starter 

It's now SPRING.  Construction season is now here.  PIA in the Idaho Springs area with all the single lane traffic.

 

Vail Pass was only closed a short time this week because of Snow and bad drivers.  I was stuck in stopped traffic for a while.

 

Approach to tunnels was closed yesterday by a semi-load of batteries (aren't they classified as hazardous material and banned from tunnel?) being spilled on the highway. 

 

Glad I used Loveland Pass.

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post #47 of 52
I 70 travel advisory given on the news tonight. Expect delays and heavy traffic most of Oct. All due to various phases of construction including paving and new guard rails.
post #48 of 52

I drove I-70 at night for the first time in a while.  I love how CDOT puts up reflectors for the summer.  :rolleyes  I wish they would leave them up in the winter too, it makes driving at night so much nicer.   :)

 

Between the reflectors, new pavement and new striping it almost seemed like I-70 was a first world highway!

post #49 of 52
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I drove I-70 at night for the first time in a while.  I love how CDOT puts up reflectors for the summer.  :rolleyes  I wish they would leave them up in the winter too, it makes driving at night so much nicer.   :)

 

Between the reflectors, new pavement and new striping it almost seemed like I-70 was a first world highway!

 

*confused* The reflectors just before the US-6 exit *were* there last winter.

post #50 of 52
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*confused* The reflectors just before the US-6 exit *were* there last winter.

 

 

Not those, I'm talking about passive reflectors all the way from Denver to Avon.  

 

I could see the curves in the road at night.  Really cool!   I've never noticed the reflectors in the winter, so I assumed CDOT took them down for safekeeping out of the weather.   

 

Maybe they store the I-70 reflectors through the winter in the summer mogul storage areas?   :) 

post #51 of 52

Our interstate 93 was recently repaved, and they added a lot of features.  (All good stuff, but that is why road construction never gets cheaper.)

 

They ground a series of linear scoops out of the asphalt between the lanes, and put reflectors in them.  They don't stick up above the surface.  (I have my doubts if they will actually  survive snowplowing, but maybe.)  

 

They added "Plows use caution" signs on every overpass.  (Well, duh.)

 

They added a white arrow in the middle of the lane pointing to every drain on the side of the road.

 

And the one that gets me, they no longer just paint the lines.  Every one was ground a couple of millimeters into the surface before applying the paint.

post #52 of 52
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Maybe they store the I-70 reflectors through the winter in the summer mogul storage areas?   smile.gif  

Yes. Counting on seeing on I-70 is like counting on Ramrod bumps.
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