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Schumacher brain injury due to mounting of GoPro? Call me skeptical

post #1 of 14
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I came across this article just now:

 

http://www.worldcarfans.com/114101182673/schumacher-waking-up-slowly-at-home---moncet

 

"The problem for Michael was not the hit, but the mounting of the Go-Pro (camera) that he had on his helmet that injured his brain," he said.

 

This is a commentator speaking, not a doctor. I've found the chest mounts nice anyway, because I can actually see what the camera is doing; no more "Is it on? Am I recording? Could you check the camera for me?" And I've wondered about the helmet mounts. But still, an awful lot of athletes go down skiing without having head injuries.

 

Thoughts? Rampant speculation?

post #2 of 14

Unless the camera smashed through his helmet, how could it have influenced his injuries?  They will pop out of the mounts with enough pressure.

post #3 of 14
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Unless the camera smashed through his helmet, how could it have influenced his injuries?  They will pop out of the mounts with enough pressure.

 

 

Years ago there were warnings about putting stickers on motorcycle helmets. The belief was that in a slide the sticker could suddenly grab and cause the helmet to snap the neck. There was also concern that the glue on the sticker would interact with the outer layer of the helmet and cause a weak spot.

 

I have no clue if either of these old theories have anything to do with camera mounts on modern ski helmets. Very rampant speculation.

post #4 of 14

All I know is I've had my camera (mount and all) knocked off by the lift bar and didn't even know it until the top. I would be very skeptical of it contributing to an injury but I wouldn't rule it out completely.

post #5 of 14

I would say it actually is possible. Chances for something like this to happen are small, but it would be possible. I guess noone of us has any info about this, so it's all pure speculations, but let's say he hit to rock at almost 90 degree angle and he his it straight with camera. Camera probably did brake away, but most likely camera mount on helmet, and some part of mount where screw goes through connecting mount and Gopro housing was left there. So if he hit rock exactly with that spot, forces concentrated to that little piece were much bigger as they would be if he would hit with bigger surface of helmet. In worse case, this could even make mount penetrate helmet (if I remember right, there were some reports helmet did fall apart in crash).

So yes, it's possible even though chances are pretty small I would say, and no, "there's lot of athletes using them and nothing ever happened" is not relevant. Only thing with this statement is, that noone famous enough to get world wide coverage got hurt this way. Noone really knows how many normal people who will never get into newspapers got hurt this way. Maybe none, or maybe, there's 100s or 1000s of them around the world. Just noone reports if Average Joe gets hurt this way, so we might think there was noone ever got hurt this way.

post #6 of 14

I'll go out on a limb and say he was getting a brain injury out of this crash with or without the GoPro. More speculation of course, but IMO no less plausible than the theory that the camera caused his injury. 

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I would say it actually is possible. Chances for something like this to happen are small, but it would be possible. I guess noone of us has any info about this, so it's all pure speculations, but let's say he hit to rock at almost 90 degree angle and he his it straight with camera. Camera probably did brake away, but most likely camera mount on helmet, and some part of mount where screw goes through connecting mount and Gopro housing was left there. So if he hit rock exactly with that spot, forces concentrated to that little piece were much bigger as they would be if he would hit with bigger surface of helmet. In worse case, this could even make mount penetrate helmet (if I remember right, there were some reports helmet did fall apart in crash).
So yes, it's possible even though chances are pretty small I would say, and no, "there's lot of athletes using them and nothing ever happened" is not relevant. Only thing with this statement is, that noone famous enough to get world wide coverage got hurt this way. Noone really knows how many normal people who will never get into newspapers got hurt this way. Maybe none, or maybe, there's 100s or 1000s of them around the world. Just noone reports if Average Joe gets hurt this way, so we might think there was noone ever got hurt this way.

I agree it's possible, but I haven't seen a ski helmet mount involving a screw. The ones I've seen either glue or strap on. I tried the strap; it was too wobbly to use the footage.
post #8 of 14

To me it seems possible.  The GoPro and it's mount are harder than the helmet so in theory could pierce the helmet if the skier were to fly through the air and land directly on the GoPro, especially on firm snow.  Seems very unlikely but certainly conceivable.

post #9 of 14

Yeah, until those involved share some very specific information on how the GoPro worsened the injury, I'm going to take this with a grain of salt. Sure it could have played some role, but I have to guess it's going to be a one-in-a-million type scenario where it was in exactly the wrong place at the wrong time and isn't enough to indict GoPro helmet usage as dangerous. As has been pointed out above, people have been using these for years (doing some really stupid stuff) and this is the first we are hearing of this. I have personally turned three GoPros into lost and found that I have picked up on the slopes. The mounts are study and the adhesive is strong, but not so strong that they should be able to rip apart a helmet in good condition.

post #10 of 14

i haven't read everything but from what i read people are skeptical that the go-pro will worsen the capactiy of the helmet to absorb an impact/diffuse the energy.

 

 

but what about a fall where the main trauma is not so much the blunt force but the twising motion on the head/neck the fall causes.

 

In such a case, even if the mount breaks can't it act as a lever and worsen a twist, or catch into something and tough it breaks, give a pretty bad jolt to the neck?

post #11 of 14

That I could see. Theoretically the mount could pin the helmet in place causing the neck to twist or the head to snap, sort of the opposite of what MIPS technology aims to solve. That said, everything in Schumacher's case seems to reference blunt force trauma, not neck injuries or simple concussion

post #12 of 14

They were talking about this last February..I remember hearing about it back then.  I think I even started a thread somewhere here about it to warn folks..

 

Michael Schumacher skiing crash: did helmet camera cause head injuries?

 

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By Alexandra Williams, Geneva

12:01AM GMT 16 Feb 2014

Comments96 Comments

 

Almost two months after a skiing accident caused him to be put into a medically-induced coma, Michael Schumacher's friends are still at a loss to explain the life-changing consequences of the seemingly-innocuous accident.

Schumacher, an experienced skier, was travelling at a moderate speed when he fell and hit a rock. His skis were new; his bindings have been subsequently tested and were not at fault; he was fully in control of his movements as he left the marked pistes and traversed the patch of snow in-between two groomed runs in Meribel.

But now investigators believe that they may have found a reason for the seriousness of the crash. They think that his helmet camera could have actually worsened the blown, and caused the helmet to shatter into pieces.

Experts from ENSA, the world-renowned ski and climbing academy in the French ski resort of Chamonix, have conducted tests to determine whether the presence of a solid object between a helmet colliding with a rock would weaken the structure.

The helmet smashed – but the camera he had attached to it, in order to record him and his son skiing, was undamaged. The footage, audio and visual, has provided police with crucial information about the crash.

post #13 of 14
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I agree it's possible, but I haven't seen a ski helmet mount involving a screw. The ones I've seen either glue or strap on. I tried the strap; it was too wobbly to use the footage.

Sorry if I wrote it wrong way (pretty good I have always excuse "English is not my native language" handy :) ) I meant that top part of mount where screw goes through attaching camera housing to mount, not attaching mount to helmet with screw.

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I agree it's possible, but I haven't seen a ski helmet mount involving a screw. The ones I've seen either glue or strap on. I tried the strap; it was too wobbly to use the footage.

Sorry if I wrote it wrong way (pretty good I have always excuse "English is not my native language" handy :) ) I meant that top part of mount where screw goes through attaching camera housing to mount, not attaching mount to helmet with screw.

 

I just reread your post. You were clear; I scanned the post, saw "screw," and completely missed the point of your post. Now I understand.  You would basically end up with a little post sticking out of your helmet, ready to stab you.

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