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What Makes the Epic Pass Valuable to You?

Poll Results: Where do you ski on your Epic Pass?

 
  • 11% (2)
    I only ski in the region of my home mountain
  • 33% (6)
    I ski mostly in the region of my home mountain but hope to get to other areas
  • 0% (0)
    I ski several regions on my pass regularly including other continents
  • 27% (5)
    I ski more than one US region on my pass
  • 5% (1)
    I'm usually a Park City pass holder and will probably ski other Epic areas now that its on one pass
  • 16% (3)
    I only ski the region of my home mountain but get the Epic Pass because it doesn't have blackout dates
  • 5% (1)
    Other
18 Total Votes  
post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

I had a discussion about the Epic Pass with one of my local friends.  

Does the addition of Utah resorts make the Epic Pass more value to you?  

If you live in Tahoe, would you make a trip to Colorado or Utah to take advantage of the benefits? 

 

A few years ago I recall getting the full Epic Pass for $659.00.  The pre- September 2014 price was $729.00, now $749.00 until October 12th. 

 

Phil and I make a few trips to Colorado so it makes sense for us to have the Epic Pass or Epic Local pass (currently $569.00), but I'm not sure that we'll have time to venture to Park City to take advantage of the "added value" 

 

Part of my discussion with a local friend was about him purchasing the Tahoe Local Pass(currently $479.00) which has many of the benefits of Epic Local pass but only for the Tahoe Resorts.  He only see's added value with Park City if we have another drought here and he can get a quick road trip to Utah (8 hr drive). 

 

Another question is, will this influence Park City skiers to make trips to Tahoe or Colorado? 

 

Compared to other resorts in other regions, the Epic Pass is fairly cost effective (YMMV), but the real value depends on what you perceive as "added value" when VR brings other resorts into the fold. 

post #2 of 25

Need to also consider the Bay Area folks who are a decent population of Tahoe Local pass holders.   They're paying for transportation and lodging in tahoe, so the time to go and money spent travelling at another region are more equal than for a true local.

 

Considering that it takes 4hours to drive to tahoe, SFO/OAK->SLC takes the same time, plus SLC has a really short and efficient commute from airport to the slopes compared to the colorado resorts.

 

With 2 resorts to try out from in SLC, it definitely feels like more of a destination draw than just 1 mountain.  Even though logically, you can go to any of the wasatch mountains and lift tickets are a minority of your total trip expenses.


I think it definitely will push some people on the fence to perceive they'll make that trip this year, it's just $90 more.  Whether they actually follow through is a different story!


Edited by raytseng - 10/8/14 at 5:54pm
post #3 of 25

I actually went looking for a Breck-only pass this season, but it doesn't exist. So I guess that's my answer. Breck (and its lesson pass) make it valuable. Keystone is meh to me; Vail and Beaver Creek are far enough that I rarely work up the energy to get that far. We got the Epic without restrictions the last few years, but finally realized that we skied Vail/BC maybe once or twice in that time. I might regret that decision if I go to Vail and need to actually buy a ticket at the window (horrors!).

post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bounceswoosh View Post
 

I actually went looking for a Breck-only pass this season, but it doesn't exist. So I guess that's my answer. Breck (and its lesson pass) make it valuable. Keystone is meh to me; Vail and Beaver Creek are far enough that I rarely work up the energy to get that far. We got the Epic without restrictions the last few years, but finally realized that we skied Vail/BC maybe once or twice in that time. I might regret that decision if I go to Vail and need to actually buy a ticket at the window (horrors!).

I can understand that reasoning.  I skied in Colorado for several years and never made it to Beaver Creek because "it was all the way over there."  Last year we made it there for the first time and will definitely make it back.  LOVED it!

 

I think you can buy a Vail or Beaver Creek Ticket for 1/2 price On the Summit Value pass but I could be wrong. 

post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 
I can understand that reasoning.  I skied in Colorado for several years and never made it to Beaver Creek because "it was all the way over there."  Last year we made it there for the first time and will definitely make it back.  LOVED it!

 

Yeah, Beaver Creek is beautiful - I have this self-reinforcing thing where I only tend to ski there on bluebird days, so I think of it as postcard perfect. (Although it is also low, so early and late season can be painful ... another reason we don't end up there much.)

 

If we were driving from the Boulder area (Longmont, actually) every ski day, Vail and BC wouldn't be much farther and probably worth it; as it is, having rented the same walking-distance condo to peak 9 the last few years ... it just does. not. happen.

post #6 of 25
Thread Starter 

When we skied Beaver Creek in February, it snowed all day long.  When we skied Birds of Prey it was big fluffy explodable bumps.  Probably one of the best ski days we had last season. 

I should thank @DonDenver and @Betsy for being amazing guides, and @rachelv for hanging with us.  What a great day! 

 

I was just thinking, Because we go to Arapahoe Basin faithfully every year, I'd say that having A-Basin on the Epic Pass makes it more valuable to us than most other resorts that are included

post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

When we skied Beaver Creek in February, it snowed all day long.  When we skied Birds of Prey it was big fluffy explodable bumps.  Probably one of the best ski days we had last season. 

I should thank @DonDenver and @Betsy for being amazing guides, and @rachelv for hanging with us.  What a great day! 

 

I was just thinking, Because we go to Arapahoe Basin faithfully every year, I'd say that having A-Basin on the Epic Pass makes it more valuable to us than most other resorts that are included

 

That was definitely what made it most valuable to me, so then I just ... dropped the epic part and bought only the ABasin. It's $270 cheaper, I think, and I don't think I'll ski more than $270 worth of days (with buddy passes) at other Vail areas this season. I guess we'll find out. 

post #8 of 25

Our ski circle is mixed-pass, so we bit the bullet and got "both" passes (akin to liking "both" types of music), mostly for Copper and Breck with a little A-Basin thrown in.

post #9 of 25

I downgraded from the full Epic Pass this year for a few reasons:

1) I didn't make it over to Vail/BC much and I don't generally ski on the blackout dates due to the crowds,

2) Eldora was dropped,

3) Left more money for the RMSP+

 

Since I bought passes very early (way before any Park City decision, but I had a hunch the Eldora was going RMSP), I have Epic Local and RMSP+. At that time, the RMSP and RMSP+ cost the same.

 

With a job change, I don't know if all my original plans will happen, but this is what makes me happy with my decision.

  • EPIC: When I travel to Utah to watch the Deer Valley World Cup, I can ski Canyons and PC during the day for free and watch the World Cup finals at night.
  • EPIC: Got the Breck Lesson Pass to hone the skills and find ski buddies.
  • EPIC: Late season skiing is at A-Basin and you can only get that on EPIC.
  • EPIC: 6 Ski-with-a-friend--great for friends coming into town or taking niece skiing.
  • EPIC: Only con for me is that one of the blackout weekends is the same as the 2015 World Championships at Beaver Creek. But I guess you can use your own ski-with-a-friend discount on yourself for a blackout date.

 

As a bonus, my nephew is at the right age/grade to get a few free ski days at each of the Epic and RMSP areas. Will probably be the aunt and uncle taking the niece and nephew skiing. Will use up discount tickets for their uncle and probably the niece. At 13, I think she needs an adult ticket now.

post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

I can understand that reasoning.  I skied in Colorado for several years and never made it to Beaver Creek because "it was all the way over there."  Last year we made it there for the first time and will definitely make it back.  LOVED it!

 

I think you can buy a Vail or Beaver Creek Ticket for 1/2 price On the Summit Value pass but I could be wrong. 

 

I spoke with a Vail rep one day and there are contingencies in the small print for getting a discount at a resort not covered by your pass and for skiing on one of the blackout dates. Of course, I can't find it now. The other option is to use a SWAF ticket on yourself.

post #11 of 25

I primarily ski Breckenridge and A-Basin (with less than 20% of my days at Vail/BC/Keystone), so having A-Basin on the Epic Pass is extremely valuable to me.  I live and work in Breck, so having the local hill on the pass is necessary if I want to maximize ski time.  If I lived in Frisco or Silverthorne, there's a good chance I'd go with the RMSP+ with A-Basin, but that would also depend on where I worked.

 

EDIT:  There was a time where I bought both the Epic Local and a Copper pass, but now that I have 3 passes to buy (me/wife/kiddo),  a Copper 4-pak is the best I'll do.


Edited by cmsummit - 10/9/14 at 8:36am
post #12 of 25

What make the Epic Pass valuable to me is it draws the lemmings away from my home mountain :D

 

@Trekchick, maybe add that to the poll? :duck: 

post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

What make the Epic Pass valuable to me is it draws the lemmings away from my home mountain :D

 

@Trekchick, maybe add that to the poll? :duck: 

 

 

Another vote for this option

post #14 of 25

I gotta think this through a little...... by myself for a sec......sit tight.

 

I wonder if the 2016 Gathering will go to DV / Park citi mid-winter next year to see what all the hub-bubb is about ?????????????????????????????????????  and if that stupid jerk who use to run the Let's Go Colorado series hadn't retired that event could run again in its usual 1st week of April spot:(.............what if I decided to extend the season and make the Mother's day event at the basin:confused ................what if I got into town early on one of those trips and some good guides were around to show me Vail and BC (10 days ought a do it) :eek...........wonder what the pass will cost next year.......$ 600 up from $ 569 now??????Yeah  probably:dunno  I'mconfused.........

 

 

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OK.....I'm back.  I decided it's just not right to ski (Maybe) 20-25 days for around $600 and never buy a lift ticket.

post #15 of 25

Wait......what if I moved back there ?????????   Back to a 100 day a year season.......for what ??   $ 600.00 ?

 

$ 6.00 a day ?

 

Nah....that wouldn't work either....the area would go broke.

 

NEVER MIND:rolleyes

post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by tball View Post

What make the Epic Pass valuable to me is it draws the lemmings away from my home mountain biggrin.gif

@Trekchick
, maybe add that to the poll? duck.gif  
The opposite of this will now apply to me so the poll doesn't. redface.gif
post #17 of 25
Thread Starter 

I checked to see if I could edit the poll and can't see the capability, unless I delete the poll and recreate it.  

post #18 of 25

I actually finally got on the Epic last season, driven largely by the inclusion of Eldora. Before that, I'd mostly just cobbled together discounts, 4-packs, etc, as I could, skiing wherever was cheapest and with the best conditions.

 

Curiously, I then wound up only skiing Eldora twice last season.

 

When I saw that Eldora was moving over to RMSP this season, I almost jumped over to that pass. I really do love WP and I have a timeshare option at the boat, but I loathe CM...never had a good ski day there. All that, and VR already had my $40 deposit! :(

 

So, it's back to Epic again this season and I think it's a good plan for me. I've got a week planned with friends from out of state in Breck in December, plus a week with friends from Oz at Vail in January. I might be meeting up with the same Oz friends for a week at Niseko in April too and that's on Epic as well, which is nice.

 

On top of all that, there's the joy of early and late season skiing at A-Basin each year. I hit them last year for opening day in October and closing day in June. I love it when WINTER IS NINE MONTHS LONG!!! :ski

 

Oh, and BC...it's my favorite now. With Epic, it's the cheapest major resort in the state. Free parking and free cookies!

post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

What make the Epic Pass valuable to me is it draws the lemmings away from my home mountain :D

 

@Trekchick, maybe add that to the poll? :duck:

 

I was going to say that operating off of purely selfish reasons, it is valuable to me because it has forced the pass prices for everybody else to go way down and has made skiing cheaper for the 25+ days a season crowd.

 

I don't think it is long term healthy for the industry, but that discussion has been done to death and we don't need to turn this into another thread about that.

post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

I had a discussion about the Epic Pass with one of my local friends.

Does the addition of Utah resorts make the Epic Pass more value to you?

If you live in Tahoe, would you make a trip to Colorado or Utah to take advantage of the benefits?

 

A few years ago I recall getting the full Epic Pass for $659.00.  The pre- September 2014 price was $729.00, now $749.00 until October 12th.

 

Phil and I make a few trips to Colorado so it makes sense for us to have the Epic Pass or Epic Local pass (currently $569.00), but I'm not sure that we'll have time to venture to Park City to take advantage of the "added value"

 

Part of my discussion with a local friend was about him purchasing the Tahoe Local Pass(currently $479.00) which has many of the benefits of Epic Local pass but only for the Tahoe Resorts.  He only see's added value with Park City if we have another drought here and he can get a quick road trip to Utah (8 hr drive).

 

Another question is, will this influence Park City skiers to make trips to Tahoe or Colorado?

 

Compared to other resorts in other regions, the Epic Pass is fairly cost effective (YMMV), but the real value depends on what you perceive as "added value" when VR brings other resorts into the fold.

Yes, the addition of the Utah resorts adds value to the passes.

Yes, I would make and have made trips to Colorado and Utah to take advantage of the passes.

I don't really know if Park City skiers will be influenced to make trips to Tahoe or Colorado. I would guess that if Tahoe and/or Colorado received a much more significant amount of snow than Utah, then Mother Nature would be more of an influence.

 

Over the seasons I have been very happy with the various "flavors" of the passes offered by Vail Resorts.

After Vail bought Heavenly I was able to afford a much less expensive Heavenly pass for the 2002-2003 season. I was also able to use the free days included on the pass to ski Keystone, Breckenridge and Vail for the first time that season. This added value definitely encouraged me to renew Heavenly passes each season after that.

Even when they changed the benefit to half-price days in Colorado, I still found this to be a good deal and skied again at Breckenridge, Vail, and Beaver Creek.

When Vail Resorts bought Northstar in the 2010-2011 season I already had purchased both a Heavenly pass and a Double-Whammy (Sierra at Tahoe and Northstar) They refunded the purchase price of one of my passes and I had what became a Triple-Whammy pass that season (for a cost of around $300.) This value along with the positive experience of how I was treated helped me to decide on a full Epic Pass for the next two seasons (2011-2012 and 2012-2013) I enjoyed local powder days on relatively uncrowded mountains that were blackout days for other pass holders. I also got to ski Arapahoe Basin for the first time as well as return to Breckenridge and The Canyons.

Then after Vail bought Kirkwood I was able to gift my Kirkwood only pass to a friend while I used my Epic pass the next season.

Last season (2013-2014) I "downsized" to a Tahoe Local pass. I was still able to ski The Canyons at around half-price using the Tahoe Local pass.

For the coming season I upgraded to an Epic Local pass. I'm looking forward to returning to The Canyons as well as skiing Park City Mountain Resort for the first time. If Colorado has another good winter, I hope to make trip(s) to their Colorado resorts also.

 

To sum up, I am very happy with the value, variety, and the overall customer experience I have had with my passes. This will certainly keep me renewing my passes each season.

post #21 of 25
Best part of Epic Pass for me the last few seasons was that it directed a lot of skiers to resorts where I have not skied a bunch of days.

Not saying they're bad resorts; I just haven't been skiing at them much the last few years.
Edited by Dino - 10/13/14 at 9:54am
post #22 of 25

Frankly, I don't see or get a lot of value out of all of the other resorts.  If I go to SLC, I want to ski Snowbird and Snowbasin.  If I go to Tahoe, I want to ski Squaw.  I get maybe a couple of days at Vail/Beaver Creek, but personally I don't find them to be worth the extra drive.  If I'm in an extra drive mood, I'll head to Aspen.

 

That being said, if I find myself in California to ski Mammoth with my daughter and son in law this season, I'll probably hit Squaw, Alpine Meadows, and perhaps some of the Vail resorts as well just because I can.

 

Mike

post #23 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post
 

Frankly, I don't see or get a lot of value out of all of the other resorts.  If I go to SLC, I want to ski Snowbird and Snowbasin.  If I go to Tahoe, I want to ski Squaw.  I get maybe a couple of days at Vail/Beaver Creek, but personally I don't find them to be worth the extra drive.  If I'm in an extra drive mood, I'll head to Aspen.

 

That being said, if I find myself in California to ski Mammoth with my daughter and son in law this season, I'll probably hit Squaw, Alpine Meadows, and perhaps some of the Vail resorts as well just because I can.

 

Mike

If you do that, you better give us a shout!!!

post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

If you do that, you better give us a shout!!!


Absolutely!

post #25 of 25

The reasons we buy the EpicPass Local are:

 

Value - we'll ski at least 10 or 11 days which brings the per/day lift ticket cost to under $60.  Hard to beat that by much.  Plus you get some "buddy passes" which allow someone else to purchase a lift ticket for $75.   There are also restaurant and sports shop discounts (tuneups, waxing, gear) that add a little more to the value presuming you need those things.  And the pass is good should you want to go out there offseason and do some hiking and sightseeing.  A couple of our gang took advantage of that this summer.  Oh, and you build up points which can be used for lessons.  And the dopey little Epic Mix thing that tracks my vertical feet is amusing to me.

 

Convenience - no need to stop & stand in any lines to pick up the lift pass, even on day 1 (except for the first time some years ago).  Unless you use the buddy pass which requires a trip to the ticket booth.  I don't place all that much value, at least not yet, on the idea of getting from airport to resort in 30 minutes (the claim for SLC) or 2 or 3 hours (Summit, Vail, BC from Denver).  I really can't get to ANY skiing at all with less that 2 or 3 hours of driving and and getting to good skiing in VT or NH is 6 to 8 hours of driving and even NY is 4 or 5 hours minimum.    The driving is just a price I'm accustomed to paying wrt skiing.

 

Variety - we've only, so far, used the pass in CO but that's 5 resorts we can easily get to from where we stay and we've gone to all but A-Basin so far.  Once of these days!   If conditions are good this year & airfares to SLC aren't a lot more than to Denver, we'll try out SLC Park City and Canyons for our "spring" trip.  Sooner or later we'll probably take advantage of Tahoe.

 

Customer Service - we'll all been very happy with the customer service provided by Vail Resorts.  They do a great job IMHO.

 

Potential refund - We purchase the $20 insurance so if anything happens that prevents you from using the pass a given year, you get the full amount, minus the insurance fee, of course, refunded.  We've seen this work for an injury and another time for job loss and as far a we can tell Vail Resorts is good about this.  Fortunately none of our immediate gang has ever needed this.

Edited by Knucklehead - 10/13/14 at 6:38am
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