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post #31 of 42

Unless you have money burning a hole in your pocket, start with the 2x4 set up and see if you like it; then start to buy toys.  Spend the money on a decent iron, a non-steam one, that will last.  I'm not saying $100 on a pro ski wax iron just the best you can get at the local hardware/home center.   A couple of decent plastic scrapers and one or two small blocks of wax to cover a range of snow temps will get you going. 


Try your local ski shop to see what they have.  Usually, they carry what works in your area.  Besides buying the wax from them will ease your conscience since you'll be saving all the money on doing it yourself.  It is in your best interest to keep those guys around for when you need base work or boot fitting. 


I have never met a back shop employee that doesn't respond well to donations of beer in return for information. 


With all this talk of fluoro and hydrocarbon wax you need to keep in mind that fluoro waxes work best for wet snow.  If your local conditions are dry and light, don't feel you need to spend a fortune on fluoro.  

Liquid wax is easy but there is solvent in there to keep it liquid.  It will never get as deep and stick around as long as a good iron job with a stick wax. Even paste wax is better that the liquid stuff.  A good base of wax deep in the ski will protect the bases and provide the glide you're looking for.  Paste is good for when you get the wax wrong and end up sticking, usually end of season or in unpredictable weather when there is a big swing in conditions. 

post #32 of 42

Good comments litterbug!


The only comment I have is that I have had inconsistent results from Swix BP88 and switched to Dominator Renew Base Prep for recreational skis and Renew G for race skis.  I get better penetration and longer wax life than with the Swix product.  Don't get me wrong, I use both varieties.  I just prefer the Dominator product.

post #33 of 42

Saturate those bases with Dominator Renew, especially if your skis are new or fresh ground, and use Dominator Zoom as your weekly wax.  Everyone has their personal favs but Doms Zoom is one of the best rec ski waxes on the market.  It covers a wide range of temps and conditions and it's reasonably price.  They make regular and Zoom with graphite, take your pic or better yet, get both.  Buy the 400g size,  I don't know your age but it's the size of a VCR cassette if you remember or even know what a VCR cassette is lol, it'll not only save you money over the smaller  100g bar but it should easily last you the season.


Caution and common sense will be your friend when you first start waxing.  Don't worry if a lot of this information makes you think WTF have I got myself into.  It can be a little overwhelming at times and we ALL have had those WTF moments when we were first starting out.  Just do yourself a big favor and keep it basic and simple.  Stay away from any of the "trick" stuff.  For rec skiing, not only do you not need it but it will only help you empty your wallet faster.  Stay away from your base edge with anything that cuts and touch up your side edges daily.  Keep your bases clean and brushed out, wax regularly and when in doubt brush more and scrape less.  Try not to use the same brush for post wax that you used for pre wax.  There are some really good tuners on this board so ask lots and lots of questions.  Enjoy!

post #34 of 42

"Just Do It"! I did and now know that I do a much better job of waxing AND sharpening my edges than any shop does. Try and get a 3 brush set, brass, nylon and horsehair for a final brushing. Scrape and scrape, brush a bunch and go hit the slopes. Like other posters here, keep the iron moving and no damage will be done. You'll be fine and learn a good skill in the process! It is rewarding to do your own waxing and tuning. Good luck?

post #35 of 42

If you want to have fun, watch how they did base prep in WWII (towards the end of the film): 


post #36 of 42

As others have already said: just do it!  It's kind of fun.

post #37 of 42
To hold the brakes while I'm tuning, I use those rubber bracelets that every charity/cause gives out. They're stiffer than rubber bands and I haven't had one snap yet.
post #38 of 42
I just buy a $3 pack of rubber bands from staples every season. And given I am typically doing >5 pairs a week it seems a pretty good deal to me...
post #39 of 42
Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post

I just buy a $3 pack of rubber bands from staples every season. And given I am typically doing >5 pairs a week it seems a pretty good deal to me...
Yes, the 1/2 inch width works well. Some really strong brakes require two bands.
post #40 of 42

I'll throw in my ski tuning adventure.


My first ski vise was not a vise but 2 x 8s:





To this:

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and I'm now up to:



In all honesty, it has grown a little more in that I have more roto brushes and hand brushes and bins.  Another thing I noticed in the picture is how much waxed has dripped.  It's the same mats and I sweep or vacuum everything up but you can see how thick the line is becoming.


I started tuning on the most frugal of budgets.  I refused to pay "ski" tool prices and sought alternatives at every corner.  I now have a bench full of "ski" tools, so looks like my being frugal cost me extra money.  Not only do I have real ski tools, I have quite a few of them and some I have multiples of.  My first brushes were: for brass - a grill brush from Home Depot, for nylon - a nylon brush from Tractor Supply for brushing horses.  They worked for a season or two.  More times than not, I upgraded because of efficiency and convenience, usually brought on by doing more skies and getting better at it.  You start appreciating using a nail gun to drive in nails even though you know you can get the same nail in with a hammer.  I would say that I started off using lineman's pliers (grill brush) to drive the nails and worked my way up to hammer (hand brushes) and now have the nail gun (roto brush), and a tacking gun and roofing gun (the latter two account for having roto: brass, long and short nylon, horse hair, steel and wild boar). 


I know I have tools I can do without.  I'm not that good of a skier that I need specialized waxing beyond crazy cold, cold and spring type skiing.  I do race but it isn't the wax keeping me back.  I do all this because I enjoy it.  It can become as addictive as skiing.  In a pinch, I could use the grill brush and nylon brush from the tractor store and ski fine, but using the right tool is a joy.


Have fun,


Edited by L&AirC - 10/11/14 at 12:15pm
post #41 of 42

This will help get you started:


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post #42 of 42

Looks about right Ken, great progression! I am VERY familiar!

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