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post #31 of 37
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

The 1/3 is more of an acute angle and with a shape as aggressive as the E88, the ski will be nervous at the extremities of the contact points and when on edge will bite into the snow more aggressively and hold that edge and not allowing the ski to work the turn shape. 

There's no point in frightening the membership now ... Halloween is still two weeks off. Besides, skis tuned 1/3 don't grow their fangs until then :-).

If you can confidently make parallel turns, 1/3 is unlikely to cause you problems, even on skis with more aggressive sidecut profiles than the E88. If they do cause you grief after a couple of break-in runs, consider taking a lesson and telling the instructor that your goal is to learn what the tune has revealed about your technique.
post #32 of 37
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Originally Posted by XLTL View Post

So Philpug, your pedantic point aside, why would Rossi factory tune their skis to 1/1 and crudely at that? Do they assume that they'll be reset to a more acute angle of the skier's choice anyway?

Being new to tuning my own skis, I was reticent to go immediately to 2/1 so I practiced on some old skis then lightly filed and polished my E83 at 1/1. I decided to finally go to 2/1 before my trip to VT near the end of last season. Perhaps now I'll just leave them there.

 

Because it's cheaper for them and most skiers just skid them around anyway...

post #33 of 37
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There's no point in frightening the membership now ... Halloween is still two weeks off. Besides, skis tuned 1/3 don't grow their fangs until then :-).

If you can confidently make parallel turns, 1/3 is unlikely to cause you problems, even on skis with more aggressive sidecut profiles than the E88. If they do cause you grief after a couple of break-in runs, consider taking a lesson and telling the instructor that your goal is to learn what the tune has revealed about your technique.


Totally true! My race skis are tuned at .5/3 and they reveal...... drum roll........ I'm LAZY! Damn race skis are too much work and no fun in that you are Always On........there's no Off switch on those things. Too much work off course.  Then again, ramped my White Mantras up to 1/3 and they were Cherry! Loved em!

post #34 of 37
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post
 

 

I am AMAZED with every new ski that I buy, just how poor a job the factories do. When the better shops provide a tune with the purchase

they are doing you a great service and ensuring that you will be happy with the money you spent. IF you are buying discounted gear, than YOU should pay them to do the same.


I was once told that the reason for the poor tune from the factory is that the adhesives have not fully cured when they wrap them up, so some my be good, some not. One exception was the Rossi 4S Retro's I bought a couple years ago. The bottoms were dead flat and the tune was 1/3. They were perfect. The tech at my shop was very impressed. Any they always tune every ski they sell, it's part of the price.

post #35 of 37

My experience is much more limited than Phil's tho for longer, I'd guess. Ignorance spread out smoothly over more time, maybe. Like peanut butter.  :)

 

Anyway, my experience with certain brands is that the factory tune is sometimes good.  You gotta try them to tell. (And I wouldn't bother trying with some brands.)

 

With Atomics, factory has been so far good.  For instance, I've gotten three Atomics in the past two years, and all three were well-tuned from the factory.  In fact, for some reason they usually feel really spot on in a way I haven't been able to quite duplicate tuning myself. (Though in some ways my tune is better: sharper, more consistent edge, for example).  

 

Kastles and Stocklis I've had similar great experiences with.  

 

Rossis are another brand I've had good luck with, though not as much.  I tried out a friend's E-88 that still had its factory tune that sucked. But my Exp. 98s were factory well-tuned, even though they were 1/1. And they were a lot of fun at 1/1. (with the minor increase of tip base bevel, mentioned above.)

Still, they definitely improved across the board after I hand-tuned them, with a 1/2 at first.  

 

With this particular ski, and its partner, the E-88, I can see where Phil is coming from in one way: there is a smoothness to the edgehold with the 1/2 that in some ways really suits these two skis that already have such pronounced carve/grip.  Generally I strongly prefer the 1/2 over the 1/1; and often prefer the 1/3 over the 1/2, though there's a slight trade-off.  But in this Rossi case, I liked the 1/2 (compared to the 1/3) just as well, different but as well: smooth vs. grippy on an already grippy ski. 

post #36 of 37
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"I would not go a 1/3 on an E88 unless you are looking for a ski that can only make one turn in one condition..hard snow." 


Philpug, please explain why a 1/3 is only good for hard snow, I am eager to learn.

The only difference I noted when going from a 1/2 to 1/3 is a better bite on hard snow and ice. I have not seen a downside. Thanks.
The 1/3 is more of an acute angle and with a shape as aggressive as the E88, the ski will be nervous at the extremities of the contact points and when on edge will bite into the snow more aggressively and hold that edge and not allowing the ski to work the turn shape. 
Thanks for the explanation, Phil. I'm still not quite clear on why 3* would be so noticeable on soft snow, but I'll trust you on it. The Temptation 88s were what prompted me to shop for a 93* beveler (or 1* shim) because I expected them to become my go-to on hard snow days (which may be less true if I get the narrower carvers I'm considering). But based on your advice I'll hold off on putting 3* on the 88s, at least until I get used to how turny they are, even if I try it on my wider skis.
post #37 of 37

I ski most of my skis including my E88s at 2/1.  I like the E88 at 2/1 in all conditions.  I think the ski makes what ever shaped turn I want it to.  I don't detune the tips or tails and don't find the ski hooky.  I have thought about 3/1 to increase edge bite, but don't want to lose the metal.  I think 3/1 would still be managable.  I have never met a ski I couldn't schmear ;).

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