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post #31 of 51
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Still trying to figure out how they can join the two areas but only have snowboards allowed in one.  I've never been there so I'm clueless.  I've never been to a segregated ski resort where some customers were allowed on run A but not on run B except via skill level/ability.

 

Isn't that exactly how Snowbird/Alta is set up though?  Not the same owner but you can go from one to the other...

post #32 of 51
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Isn't that exactly how Snowbird/Alta is set up though?  Not the same owner but you can go from one to the other...

Perhaps that is why the boarders made a bigger deal about Alta than they did about DV...

post #33 of 51
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Isn't that exactly how Snowbird/Alta is set up though?  Not the same owner but you can go from one to the other...

 

 On skis.  

post #34 of 51
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Still trying to figure out how they can join the two areas but only have snowboards allowed in one. 

If you get out a map you will see that Deer Valley and Solitude will never be adjacent.

 

The more interesting question is what to do with snowboarders if One Wasatch comes to pass.  Deer Valley is "the end of the line" to the east, so easy to continue the exclusion if they want.  But you need to go through Alta to get to Snowbird.  My guess is that boarders with a (presumably more expensive) One Wasatch ticket will be allowed to ride the Sunnyside and Sugarloaf chairs.  

 

Currently there are ticket gates at the Baldy/Sugarloaf crossing, requiring a combined ticket to go through in either direction.  But I have seen boarders in Alta who climbed Baldy and descended Main Chute.  


Edited by Tony Crocker - 10/9/14 at 2:12pm
post #35 of 51
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...  One Wasatch will do a lot more to change perceptions east of the Continental Divide...

 

 

Wait.    There's life east of the Continental Divide???

post #36 of 51
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Wait.    There's life east of the Continental Divide???

I was about to agree and then realized that's where I live ... :D. But not by much.

post #37 of 51
Vail's model is health club like where membership sales are even more critical than use. Periodic asset additions and exciting announcements help drive that. Vail can only publicly or capital-wise absorb so many new assets at once.

So...can't discount the possibility DV and Vail already have a venture agreement providing for Vail taking Solitude at an opportune time providing the motivation for DV's acquisition. DV cap gains and negotiates a cooperative agreement to their liking.

Vail then connects Solitude if not already done so and completes a three ring circus. DV benefits from increased traffic given their differentiation.
post #38 of 51
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Still trying to figure out how they can join the two areas but only have snowboards allowed in one. 

 

 

I think I read somewhere there will be a short corridor accessible by all.

post #39 of 51

Well this is interesting.  We went to Solitude last year and loved it - so much so in fact that we are thinking of buying a condo in the next year or two.  Wonder what the impact on real estate might be from this deal, and probably more significantly if they ever connect to the other resorts via One Wasatch.  I think my outlook for purchasing real estate at Solitude is shifting from having a place at a nice intimate and uncrowded mountain to more of a rental/investment.  In any case, I fear that by the time we get the funds together we will have missed our opportunity.

 

On another note, my son and I both snowboard.  Makes me a bit more hesitant to commit to Solitude with Deer Valley being the owner.  I know they say they are going to allow snowboarding, but if the clientele starts shifting to a more Deer Valley type, maybe they will revisit that decision.  Wouldn't that be great?  A snowboarder owning a condo at a resort that doesn't allow snowboarding.

 

Matt

post #40 of 51

Interesting upgrades announced, mainly to the Summit Chair.

post #41 of 51

Article on May 1, 2015 with details of upgrade plans that should be in place at Solitude for the 2015-16 season.  Step one was finalizing the sale to Deer Valley.  The Summit double will be replaced by a high-speed quad and renamed the Summit Express.  Cost estimated at $5 million for the chairlift alone.  Deer Valley plans to spend another $1-2 million on other improvements during the off-season.

 

http://www.parkrecord.com/park_city-news/ci_28031026/deer-valley-resort-finalizes-purchase-solitude-mountain-resort

post #42 of 51

From a skier circulation perspective, the biggest news there is probably the new run connecting the top of Apex to the Summit chair.  Solitude's layout has been a bit of a limiting factor on its popularity, and this begins to help solve that.

post #43 of 51

Looks like Solitude will have a new trail map for 2015-16.  The new owner commissioned James Niehues to create the base painting of the trails.  Here's what he posted on FB recently:

 

"Solitude Utah - this is the initial airbrushed blue. Notice the pencil tracing locating all the trees and features. I have painted the tracing in places that will be airbrushed blue so they will show through the paint. This view will show some slopes of Brighton, in the Big Cottonwood Canyon, and Alta, in the Little Cottonwood Canyon."

post #44 of 51

In addition to upgrades in 2015, the possibility of building more lodging at Solitude is becoming a reality as part of the recent Mountain Accord agreement.  Sounds like Honeycomb Canyon will be both more accessible and include more terrain.

 

SL Tribune, July 13, 2015

Utah ski resorts will get, give land under newly approved Mountain Accord

 

details for Solitude:

 

• Solitude with 50 acres around its base and a 15-acre expansion of its special-use permit in Honeycomb Canyon so that it can realign a lift and open more of the canyon to skiing. Deer Valley, the resort's owner, would give up 240 acres in the Hidden Canyon/Guardsman Road area and improve access points for backcountry skiers to reach Silver Fork Canyon, which will remain outside the resort.

Solitude also would be guaranteed water by Salt Lake City when it comes time to develop another 120 hotel rooms in the base village.

post #45 of 51

New painting that will be the base for the new trail map is done.  The last time James Niehues painted Solitude was 26 years ago. This version puts Honeycomb Canyon in context.

 

post #46 of 51

So...I heard El Nino will be good for Taos.    Any chance of using my UT skis there?

post #47 of 51
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So...I heard El Nino will be good for Taos.    Any chance of using my UT skis there?

 

Yes.

post #48 of 51

I've skied Solitude a couple of times and was impressed by the place. While there's not the same amount of challenging terrain offered by its neighbors over in Little Cottonwood Canyon, what's there is decent and varied. On the con side, the lift system is nothing to write home about, though maybe that helps to keep the number of skiers actually on the slopes down. In fact, that's what struck me most about Solitude: How few skiers there were despite the great conditions (I was lucky in my timing and skied a day or two after some decent new snow). Looks to me - admittedly from only a couple of years of skiing in Utah - that Solitude has the least skier traffic of any of the Cottonwood or PC areas.

 

So here's a few questions for those who are more familiar with the Cottonwood and PC resorts. Is the observation above about the low number of skiers at Solitude correct? If yes, why do you think that is? Is it likely to change with the new DV owners? Will they simply flog Solitude as is or will there be a push for new lodging and amenities (something seems to be possible given the land swap that's part of the DV/Solitude deal)?

post #49 of 51
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I've skied Solitude a couple of times and was impressed by the place. While there's not the same amount of challenging terrain offered by its neighbors over in Little Cottonwood Canyon, what's there is decent and varied. On the con side, the lift system is nothing to write home about, though maybe that helps to keep the number of skiers actually on the slopes down. In fact, that's what struck me most about Solitude: How few skiers there were despite the great conditions (I was lucky in my timing and skied a day or two after some decent new snow). Looks to me - admittedly from only a couple of years of skiing in Utah - that Solitude has the least skier traffic of any of the Cottonwood or PC areas.

 

So here's a few questions for those who are more familiar with the Cottonwood and PC resorts. Is the observation above about the low number of skiers at Solitude correct? If yes, why do you think that is? Is it likely to change with the new DV owners? Will they simply flog Solitude as is or will there be a push for new lodging and amenities (something seems to be possible given the land swap that's part of the DV/Solitude deal)?


The number of skiers obviously depends upon when you skied there. DV will obviously improve lifts over time, since they already have access to  $ for all the lift replacement, improvements, etc. Lodging in the Cottonwoods?  See: http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_28483580/mountain-accord-plan-including-controls-development-wins-approval   and  http://www.sltrib.com/home/2727567-155/utah-ski-resorts-will-get-give and the Mountain Accord and Snowbird websites.

post #50 of 51
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Looks like Solitude will have a new trail map for 2015-16.

 

And here it is: http://skisolitude.com/resources/wintertrailmap.pdf

 

I love it!

post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

Looks like Solitude will have a new trail map for 2015-16.

 

And here it is: http://skisolitude.com/resources/wintertrailmap.pdf

 

I love it!


Wow!  Can't wait to get one when I go in late Jan.

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