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post #1 of 13
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Hi all, 

 

One of my friends recently asked me about skis. She's also 5'8ish, and ~120lbs. She skis bulletproof/hardpack groomers 90% of the time, sometimes hardpack bumps, and teaching lessons through to around level 7. I'd say she has a more "finesse" style than power. Skis at a moderate pace. Last winter she had a knee injury and I believe there's still some laxness in the ligaments, but as long as the physio/doctor give her their blessing, she hopes to ski this winter. 

 

Given the terrain and snow conditions up here, I'd normally suggest instructors try a recreational race ski sharpened to 0.5 base/4 edge; something like a Fischer RC4 GS, or a Head Integrale 1000 for a lower speed ride. But I'm uncomfortable making this recommendation because: 

 

  • I'm concerned that a rec race ski would introduce way too much shock in her knee
  • I don't know what girl skis feel like, or the issues for girls to work a shorter unisex ski
  • Many people seem to suggest that 85mm waists are as good as 72mm waists for Ontario groomers

 

I'm thinking she needs something that's damp (to absorb the vibrations), and neither noodly nor particularly stiff. Something like the Salomon Enduro is likely too stiff, but has the right dampness. The Integrale 1000 on the other hand is soft enough, but probably transmits too much vibration. She also commented that she likes the idea of a "light" ski (which I can understand - though lightness tends to conflict with dampness). 

 

So what kinds of characteristics would you suggest in a ski for my friend? What ski models would you suggest? 

post #2 of 13
Why not a supershape rally or magnum?
post #3 of 13

Käslte LX 72 (especially if she can get a pro deal)

post #4 of 13
 
Originally Posted by Metaphor_ View Post
 

Hi all, 

 

One of my friends recently asked me about skis. She's also 5'8ish, and ~120lbs. She skis bulletproof/hardpack groomers 90% of the time, sometimes hardpack bumps, and teaching lessons through to around level 7. I'd say she has a more "finesse" style than power. Skis at a moderate pace. Last winter she had a knee injury and I believe there's still some laxness in the ligaments, but as long as the physio/doctor give her their blessing, she hopes to ski this winter. 

 

Given the terrain and snow conditions up here, I'd normally suggest instructors try a recreational race ski sharpened to 0.5 base/4 edge; something like a Fischer RC4 GS, or a Head Integrale 1000 for a lower speed ride. But I'm uncomfortable making this recommendation because: 

 

  • I'm concerned that a rec race ski would introduce way too much shock in her knee
  • I don't know what girl skis feel like, or the issues for girls to work a shorter unisex ski
  • Many people seem to suggest that 85mm waists are as good as 72mm waists for Ontario groomers

 

I'm thinking she needs something that's damp (to absorb the vibrations), and neither noodly nor particularly stiff. Something like the Salomon Enduro is likely too stiff, but has the right dampness. The Integrale 1000 on the other hand is soft enough, but probably transmits too much vibration. She also commented that she likes the idea of a "light" ski (which I can understand - though lightness tends to conflict with dampness). 

 

So what kinds of characteristics would you suggest in a ski for my friend? What ski models would you suggest? 

That's a race tune for sure.  Most instructors in my area do a lot of steered, non-carved, turns while instructing.  Some skid in each turn is going to be required to slow down for her clients.  

 

0.5/4 is meant to carve, and will wear down fast on daily ice.  Are you sure?  I'd suggest 1 and 3 if she likes to carve, but has to teach people who can't.

post #5 of 13
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I'd normally suggest instructors try a recreational race ski sharpened to 0.5 base/4 edge; something like a Fischer RC4 GS, or a Head Integrale 1000 for a lower speed ride. 

Yeah, at K-ton, don't see instructors on that kind of edge; they'd go broke keeping it tuned since they sharpen them every few days. And I'd guess it would be a PITA to feather. In fact, some prefer 1/2 to save money. The rest, 1/3. All about mechanics, not metal angle.

 

Cannot speak to the Integrale, but again, I don't see even Level III's on citizen racers, and SL designs tend to trump GS designs. Carvers in the mid 70's to mid 80's seem to predominate. Remember, a lot of lessons even for more advanced students are conducted at lower speeds, and many drills include stuff like falling leaves or one legged turns or hops. Add in a bad leg, and I'm thinking something like a Rally or RTM or Chrome or Blizzard 800S that will absorb punishment, turn without much fuss at most any radius or speed...

post #6 of 13

What is her clientele?  Coaching grommits on race skis would SUUUCK.  What is her cert and who doe she coach?  Tween Carving cats?  Pure Newbs?  Fuzzy foreigners?  MILFs? THAT Chicks?  SPOREs?  Is there another lesson-taker demographic I am missing?  :)

 

If Level5+ lessons then a SL ski would be fun but torque-y on the knees.  A JR GS skis is lot of fun for tooling around with rippers.  I have a pair of Fischer SL skis (165) I like to coach on and a pair of Atomic JR (174) GS skis that are a blast and actually fast/fun Nastar ski.  SL skis are good for demos because the sidecut makes for grippy railed turns with big angles at moderate speeds yet still hold on hardpack.

 

Mid 70s to 80s for a 120# woman nursing a sore knee seems a bit longish.

 

Half and three are my bevels. I am too cheap to buy a 4 degree file guide. Pros and semi pros should not be spending money on edge maint.  Learn how to do it and keep things SHARP esp on NE ice.   

 

Finally,  Brace that knee .  $50 off the shelf at the sporting goods store or the one in the PISA catalogue is not bad.  Cheap too.

post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Why not a supershape rally or magnum?

 

This in the appropriate length.

post #8 of 13
Volkl Kenja ?

Or the one below it in that line.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

I'd normally suggest instructors try a recreational race ski sharpened to 0.5 base/4 edge; something like a Fischer RC4 GS, or a Head Integrale 1000 for a lower speed ride. 

Yeah, at K-ton, don't see instructors on that kind of edge; they'd go broke keeping it tuned since they sharpen them every few days. And I'd guess it would be a PITA to feather. In fact, some prefer 1/2 to save money. The rest, 1/3. All about mechanics, not metal angle.

 

Cannot speak to the Integrale, but again, I don't see even Level III's on citizen racers, and SL designs tend to trump GS designs. Carvers in the mid 70's to mid 80's seem to predominate. Remember, a lot of lessons even for more advanced students are conducted at lower speeds, and many drills include stuff like falling leaves or one legged turns or hops. Add in a bad leg, and I'm thinking something like a Rally or RTM or Chrome or Blizzard 800S that will absorb punishment, turn without much fuss at most any radius or speed...

 

Good information.  

I've noticed the LIIs and LIIIs in my icy area are often teaching on 78-88 waisted skis, with a turn radius of oh maybe 14-18.  I have not seen them on slaloms.  

I'm sure it's different at different areas given the terrain options available and what type of students the instructor is getting.  

The best suggestions will come from the current instructors at her hill.  Can you contact the ski school director and talk?

post #10 of 13
Out this way the E-88/Temp88 is one of the most common on the L3 exam and teaching circuits.
post #11 of 13

Head Super Joy? Stiff powerful enough, crazy light and easy enough to teach on all day.  I reckon there will be a mens version/technology trickle down in 2016 at Head.......

Ask Phil if he skied it even though its a womens ski and short.......

post #12 of 13

I think you should get her a guy's ski.My front side ski is the rossi pursuit 16,no metal,wood,basalt and some other fancy stuff.It goes from 177 down to I think 154.It has no problem with short or long turns,74 waist plenty of grip.If a gal has the size and talent to get after it,why not a mans ski?Skis like mine and other slalom skis with no metal seem to have a built in softer front end that make them very user friendly for hard pak bumps.Of course you won't be able to demo them,unfortunately even on the ice coast skis like mine are underneath a pile of 90 and one oh something skis gathering dust with edges never getting any love.

post #13 of 13
If I were on the east coast or Midwest I'd probably teach on a Head iSpeed Supershape (15.5m turn radius @177) have something like a Rev85 or Rossi E88 for softer days. All skis I've mentioned would work fine for either gender when sized appropriately.
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