My unconfirmed pet belief is that if you put your kids on full-camber race-style skis with sharp edges, they will learn the good habits that get the most from modern ski design. Rockered twins, on the other hand, permit an awful lot of cheating.
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New Skis for 12 yo Daughter [intermediate in VT] - Page 2post #31 of 4110/13/14 at 11:06ampost #32 of 4110/13/14 at 1:11pmQuote:
Which is why I originally suggested the multi event ski over anything else and I'd mate it with a Tyrolia freeflex 11, Look 10, or Marker M10 binding. I think a good, turnie, ski would be the best choice for what you are describing and help build confidence in your daughters skiing. Sounds like maybe she's lacking some skills and if you're skiing in a lot of icy conditions I'd think a ski that will hold edge better would help build her confidence and with more confidence she'll start to reach outside her comfort zone which will lead to better skiing. Just my 2 cents.post #33 of 4110/14/14 at 5:49amThread Starter
Thanks Xela and Mojo for the additional feedback. I am leaning toward the multi-event skis by Dynastar (Team Comp) or the Rossi (Radical Pro) junior race skis based on your suggestions. How will these skis perform on ungroomed blacks?
Thanks!post #34 of 4110/14/14 at 6:22am
I think they are fine on ungroomed snow. If it is deep fresh snow, a more powder oriented ski is better but there are always tradeoffs. Those skis will not be too good in the ice. Unless you want to buy two pair of skis, I'd go with the combi skis since they will be best for the conditions you usually have and will be great to get them carving. If they learn to carve their skis they will have better control on icy slopes which is a good thing. If they know how to carve, they will enjoy all types of skis more. (what Xela said)
Also, these skis don't have race plates so they work with any binding, however, the bindings that come with lifters like the Rossignol AXIUM JR PRO 70 B73 are the way to go on these in my opinion. Raising her boot up 10mm will give her more leverage and help with the carving. Don't get a plate (goes all the way from front binding to rear binding) to raise her up though, it will stiffen the ski too much.
Edited by Utagonian - 10/14/14 at 6:40ampost #35 of 4110/14/14 at 8:02amRace skis on ungroomed blacks? Pretty badly as you may have guessed. There is really no silver bullet. I regularly see race kids on their race skis on off piste terrain at Squaw, but as the coaches say it builds character, and most of them have a free ride ski for deep days (alas my racer kid didn't use hers that much last year). It all depends where you ski the most. Unlike Xela I'm a lot more relaxed with ski design for kids, but the teams sort of make the decision now for the type of skis my kids are on. I'd say any good kids ski will be fine unless it's a full rocker type like the Gotama Jr. If you ski 80% groomers a multi event ski would be fine as long as you accept some off piste trade offs. After all it builds character.
Other kids skis I liked: Head makes really good kids skis, the new Cochise Jr. is a pretty nice ski, a bit too soft for an aggressive kid, but perfect for general population. It maybe too freeridey for the ice coast though.post #36 of 4110/14/14 at 8:06amBy the way, whatever you buy make sure it's not too stiff. Your daughter is not a racer and an overstiff ski forces people into bad habits faster than any full rocker ski ever would ;-)post #37 of 4110/14/14 at 9:21am
Alexzn, I agree on your take of a full blown race ski off piste but she is looking at the much softer and more forgiving combi skis. I think clarifying what an "un-groomed black" might look like to the OP at her resort would be in order.
I was envisioning:
or maybe this:
I don't see a wider ski being a huge advantage on this terrain.post #38 of 4110/14/14 at 9:35ampost #39 of 4110/14/14 at 11:13amQuote:
Not My Business Kermit meme? Love it.post #40 of 4110/14/14 at 2:04pmThread Starter
nwjg -- The Pocono skiing is more like these pictures but with generally firmer bumps (scraped off and firm as we do a lot of night skiing) with pockets of good snow rather than consistent good snow. About 1000FT verticle and easy black pitch. Your first pic is close but the runs are more narrow, limited bailout lanes and much firmer conditions...on a typical night there are patches of ice glare such that the ski pole will not penetrate (and we try to stay away from those patches or do controlled skid over them). That said our home mountain (Camelback) does a pretty good job blowing a lot of snow so sometimes we have some pretty good lanes to follow.
By the end of last season it was usually me and another dad with about three to five 8-11 year old girls and all they wanted to do was lap the black diamond bumps from about 5PM to 9PM (they were bored with the groomed greens and blues by mid-season :). Cant wait to see what they want to do this year. Fun stuff!
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