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post #31 of 53
Too close to my taste. Yeah they ski differently but there are plenty of other skis that ski "more differently" and would be a lot more fun in the right conditions. You already have one all-around ski, so you have the versatility covered, why add another? Any good powder ski will be competent on groomers on a day when you consider taking that kind of ski out (when it's blue ice out there, you would be on the Bonafide or better on a real carver). I'd go with what beyond and JayT suggested.
post #32 of 53
Slightly different direction - there's a pair of 186 Rossi Sickles with Sollie bindings on TGR for $250. Get those. Now.
post #33 of 53
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Slightly different direction - there's a pair of 186 Rossi Sickles with Sollie bindings on TGR for $250. Get those. Now.

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/review-2011-2012-rossignol-sickle-2010-2011-rossignol-s6-186cm

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/280329-FS-186-Rossignol-Sickle-w-Salomon-STH14-Driver?highlight=rossignol+sickle

post #34 of 53

People who have a pair of sickles,myself included,seem to really,really,,,,,REALLY like them.

post #35 of 53
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for the insightful comments.  After much thought I agree with the consensus opinion that the Cochise is a little too close for comfort to my Bonafide.  

 

I decided to go a little wider and softer...I just purchase a pair of Salomon Rocker2 115, now know as the Quest 115.  Hopefully this will give me the wider, slightly softer, and playful powder ski to fill out my quiver, yet still retain the capability to charge through afternoon crud piles.  Bring on a big snow year in the PNW!

 

This begs another question, at what depth/conditions do you switch from the Bonafide to the 115?  I was thinking 6 inches would be a good dividing line.

post #36 of 53

Nice call, will give you a very different experience than the Cochise. Should be very fun in fresh. 

post #37 of 53

Anything over 4" and I'm starting to think about my Sick Day 110's!

post #38 of 53
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Thanks everyone for the insightful comments.  After much thought I agree with the consensus opinion that the Cochise is a little too close for comfort to my Bonafide.  

 

I decided to go a little wider and softer...I just purchase a pair of Salomon Rocker2 115, now know as the Quest 115.  Hopefully this will give me the wider, slightly softer, and playful powder ski to fill out my quiver, yet still retain the capability to charge through afternoon crud piles.  Bring on a big snow year in the PNW!

 

This begs another question, at what depth/conditions do you switch from the Bonafide to the 115?  I was thinking 6 inches would be a good dividing line.

 

As someone who has owned and/or owns both of those skis, it's not about how many inches of snow, it's about how heavy the snow is.  If it's coming down heavy and wet, Bonafides.  If it's lighter, rip the hell out of those Q-115's and you'll love them.

post #39 of 53
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Anything over 4" and I'm starting to think about my Sick Day 110's!

 

I <3 these skis and will happily ski them every day, on the hope that there will be a bit of soft stuff lurking somewhere. Over 4" and I'm pulling out my Icelantic Gypsies, which ski very differently.

post #40 of 53
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I <3 these skis and will happily ski them every day, on the hope that there will be a bit of soft stuff lurking somewhere. Over 4" and I'm pulling out my Icelantic Gypsies, which ski very differently.

 

Nice! I usually wait till about 15 - 24" before I'm pulling out my Kuros. The older soft ones w/ the wood graphics before they ruined them!  That's my twice a year Nor'easter ski, still brand new! Oh well that's Vermont for ya. LOL

post #41 of 53
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As someone who has owned and/or owns both of those skis, it's not about how many inches of snow, it's about how heavy the snow is.  If it's coming down heavy and wet, Bonafides.  If it's lighter, rip the hell out of those Q-115's and you'll love them.


This is a great point, definitely the way I think about it on the west side of the cascades.  For me, I usually think in terms of metal v. non-metal - if it is heavy and chunky on the west side of the cascades I find that the Bonafides or something of that nature will out perform wider, powder dedicated skis (and softer mid 100s designs) probably because the metal layup gives you more heft and power to push through it.  At the same time, when it is soft and light, you'd be surprised at how little new snow you need to enjoy something like your 115s (or even wider :duck:).  Depending on conditions, something like the 115s will migrate down further than you think, just as the Bonafides will migrate into deeper conditions than you might expect.  Of course, some of this is personal preference and will depend on your size and style.

 

At WP, assuming typical conditions being colder and drier than we get on the west side, I could see you enjoying the 115s in just a few inches of fresh and loose leftovers post-storm - I wouldn't set a hard and fast "new snow depth limit" for either ski - experiment a bit and you'll probably have some fun.  Your two skis are quite different and will have different optimal uses, but there is also a pretty wide envelope of overlap and that is a good thing because conditions and terrain vary and evolve over the course of the day.

post #42 of 53
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I <3 these skis and will happily ski them every day, on the hope that there will be a bit of soft stuff lurking somewhere. Over 4" and I'm pulling out my Icelantic Gypsies, which ski very differently.

 

Nice! I usually wait till about 15 - 24" before I'm pulling out my Kuros. The older soft ones w/ the wood graphics before they ruined them!  That's my twice a year Nor'easter ski, still brand new! Oh well that's Vermont for ya. LOL

 

You know, upon rereading, I realized I did not post the truth. I pull out the Gypsies when I think it's going to dump all day. The Sick Days are just fine in both several inches of powder and on the skied-out or groomed stuff on the way back to the lift. The Gypsies are not quite as fun (for me!). So it's more for me about whether I can expect soft stuff all day than about the depth in the morning.

 

And I did buy a pair of 88mm after a dry spell last season, because I suspected they would serve me better skiing down hardpack bumps and trees than the Sick Day 110s, but I haven't had much opportunity to ski them yet.

post #43 of 53
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You know, upon rereading, I realized I did not post the truth. I pull out the Gypsies when I think it's going to dump all day. The Sick Days are just fine in both several inches of powder and on the skied-out or groomed stuff on the way back to the lift. The Gypsies are not quite as fun (for me!). So it's more for me about whether I can expect soft stuff all day than about the depth in the morning.

 

And I did buy a pair of 88mm after a dry spell last season, because I suspected they would serve me better skiing down hardpack bumps and trees than the Sick Day 110s, but I haven't had much opportunity to ski them yet.


Sounds like we have more or less the same quiver set up. This is becoming standard for those of us obsessed souls.......... 88's , 98's, 110's, and 120+........... I do have some 70 something or other race skis but they never see daylight.............

post #44 of 53

^ Heh.  I'm currently at 88, 98, 110, 116 - so I'd have to agree.  :)

post #45 of 53
Hmm. I don't have a 98. Clearly my quiver needs one more.
post #46 of 53
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^ Heh.  I'm currently at 88, 98, 110, 116 - so I'd have to agree.  :)

 

You need to hire a caddy.

post #47 of 53
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^ Heh.  I'm currently at 88, 98, 110, 116 - so I'd have to agree.  :)

 

You need to hire a caddy.

 

Not at the same time! Jeez.

post #48 of 53
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You need to hire a caddy.

 

On this forum, owning 4 pairs of skis probably puts me around the median average, if not on the low side!

post #49 of 53

Really tempting to do a race ski on one foot and a Kuros on the other... Trending! #Sir Mix Alot! "I like BIG skis and I cannot lie......." you know the rest! LOL

post #50 of 53

Super helpful discussion as I'm leaning toward a pair of Bonafides. 

 

Coming back to skiing after a long hiatus, I was scratching my head as to why you would want skis so wide you would just plane on top of the powder.

 

I've always loved the sinking and rising sensation of powder skiing. Sounds like the bonafides will be good for that.

post #51 of 53
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I was scratching my head as to why you would want skis so wide you would just plane on top of the powder.

 

I've always loved the sinking and rising sensation of powder skiing. Sounds like the bonafides will be good for that.

 

Big skis essentially give you more turning and playful options in pow. While it's true that sometimes you want to sink into it and hear that wonderful WHOMPH!, WHOMPH!, wide skis give you the option to vary your turns w/ a carve, slarve, or any combo you can imagine. They add maneuverability, and the key is you actually have to work less so you can get in more powder runs. That's especially important for us flatlanders visiting big mountains at high altitude where lack of oxygen becomes a major issue......... where it's hard to breathe much less ski......... Also when you're 50+ and skiing w/ kids it's a good tactical addition for keeping up in the deep stuff.

post #52 of 53

I love my Bonifides for skiing real (read: light) powder, just like it was yesterday after 14" in 24 hours (most of it fell overnight)

 

Today it was raining 3/4 of the way up the mountain and snowing on top but so heavy that you could make snowballs out of it, so it was not real powder. I went home after few runs as this is not the kind of snow that I normally have to ski IN. OTOH maybe I should have got on some big wide ski and go "surfing" the crud.

post #53 of 53

Wonder where the OP skis that he can afford to take a few groomer warm-up runs on powder days.

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